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4nl back luck or bad play?

calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
edited July 2013 in The Poker Clinic
No notes, non regs
gover06 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £9.73
Wilhelm Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £4.30
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • 4
     
texstorm Raise   £0.12 £0.18 £2.27
Carper211 Fold        
calcalfold Call   £0.12 £0.30 £3.82
CraigSG1 Call   £0.12 £0.42 £3.60
gover06 Call   £0.10 £0.52 £9.63
Wilhelm Fold        
Flop
   
  • A
  • 4
  • J
     
gover06 Check        
texstorm Bet   £0.24 £0.76 £2.03
calcalfold Raise   £0.48 £1.24 £3.34
CraigSG1 Fold        
gover06 Fold        
texstorm Raise   £0.48 £1.72 £1.55
calcalfold All-in   £3.34 £5.06 £0.00
texstorm All-in   £1.55 £6.61 £0.00
calcalfold Unmatched bet   £1.55 £5.06 £1.55
texstorm Show
  • J
  • A
     
calcalfold Show
  • A
  • 4
     
Turn
   
  • J
     
River
   
  • K
     
texstorm Win Full House, Jacks and Aces £4.68   £4.68
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
FUSPOT21 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £4.05
gordon82 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £2.74
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
     
louie106 Call   £0.04 £0.10 £3.21
calcalfold Raise   £0.16 £0.26 £3.79
ezalb Fold        
FUSPOT21 Fold        
gordon82 Fold        
louie106 Call   £0.12 £0.38 £3.09
Flop
   
  • A
  • J
  • Q
     
louie106 Check        
calcalfold Bet   £0.38 £0.76 £3.41
louie106 Raise   £0.76 £1.52 £2.33
calcalfold All-in   £3.41 £4.93 £0.00
louie106 All-in   £2.33 £7.26 £0.00
calcalfold Unmatched bet   £0.70 £6.56 £0.70
louie106 Show
  • K
  • 10
     
calcalfold Show
  • Q
  • A
     
Turn
   
  • J
     
River
   
  • 9
     
louie106 Win Straight to the Ace £6.06   £6.06

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  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,828
    edited July 2013
    HI calcal,

    I was on your table the first hand and I have notes on this guy. A calling station who wont give up any pair. Very unlucky (even more so as I had a J too).

    Both hands IMO are just very unlucky. You will get far more calls with worse hands all day long. 
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2013
    All good.
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  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited July 2013
    Much appreciated both.

    Any other comments/criticisms still very welcome.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited July 2013

    Hand 1 ul

    Hand 2 against a standard passive NL4 player , just call or fold. They are not lieing here from my experience, the reraise is usually the nuts.

    Edit, i would call 1 street, check fold to any big bet on the turn, unless we improved.

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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited July 2013
    Ah, the old 4nl minraise with the nuts.

    Both seem ok to me, though wouldn't object to a fold pre in hand 1.
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  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited July 2013
    I prefer a flat to the reraise on the flop in hand 1.  His range includes AA, JJ, AJ and 44 as he was pre flop aggressor.  You get away from it on turn too.

    Hand 2 can just be a call to the raise on the flop aswell. Although he will be doing this with a range of hands, min raise  shows so much strength.  Ironically you miiiight get away from this too on the turn, although the limp in could mean he has anything.  I've changed my mind.  I probably shove too tbh.  He so rarely pops up with a set after limping in and its so hard to nail him to just K10 - just ul.

    Both very tough spots and I probably find myself going broke a lot of the time depending on op.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2013
    1.
    pre: flat mmm or just fold - 3 bet ? why are you flatting - waiting for miracles :)
    flop: don't m/r - you could even flat with effective

    2. what ya going to do :) fold to the m/r lol



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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited July 2013
    Is it Harry or Henrietta?
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: 4nl back luck or bad play?:
    Is it Harry or Henrietta?
    Posted by LARSON7
    You can call me whatever you want darling.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited July 2013

    lol

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  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited July 2013
    Cheers all, some things to ponder.
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