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Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?

LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
edited August 2013 in The Poker Clinic
Hey!

Had pocket queens early doors in an MTT i 3 bet, and then a reraise Jam, would you call or fold?

I called, i'm quite happy with the call. Jack's i'm folding here.

Just wondered what others thoughts were on this?
DrFoster Small blind  15.00 15.00 5960.00
TheAxe Big blind  30.00 45.00 4900.00
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
hutchb Raise  120.00 165.00 5580.00
jimmy11 Fold     
LARSON7 Raise  300.00 465.00 3802.50
DrFoster All-in  5960
Larson???
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited August 2013
    player dependant really for me.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited August 2013
    It probably should be a fold. But on Sky I'd call.
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  • K8LOUK8LOU Member Posts: 630
    edited August 2013
    I think it is player depandant, but as u say its first level of a tournement and if u think u have an edge on these guys id fold alot of the time
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited August 2013
    Thanks, think i'd do the same again.

    Was a race verus AK
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:
    Thanks, think i'd do the same again. Was a race verus AK
    Posted by LARSON7
    if you could see his hand and it was ak you would still do it again? you dont want to be taking flips this deep really mate, you only wanna be calling in spots like this if you know your oppenent is spewy and can do this with hands that you crush.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited August 2013
    I meant if someone 4 bet jammed over the top and i had queens.

    Definatly better spots. Maybe it is just a fold pre, interesting one. It would be such a bizarre line to open shove aces or kings, missin out on so much value. Weird play with AK too!

    To be honest, i thought i probably had him crushed.
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited August 2013
    I've seen AAs here and a lot worse - readless QQ is a call for me - more often than not ahead and you get the read
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:
    It probably should be a call. But on Sky I'd fold.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    FYP, then I would agree.

    No need to gamble here imo, if we are in the deepstack for the long haul!  We are here to outplay bad players, not to gamble vs them!

    Obv if we dont care less we snap get it in, but if we want a long chilled out game we just fold and be happy about it.

    Its a cold 4bet on Sky too, nearly always AA, KK or AK. 
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  • davelufcdavelufc Member Posts: 1,374
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:
    with this jam it looks like ak so id call
    Posted by IDONKCALLU

    Brilliant analysis when OP has told you what oppo had!!!

    @ Larson... more importantly, why have you donked off 30 bbs in the first 10 mins???!!!

    fwiw, i fold. still plenty of chips to wait for a better spot.


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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:
    In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens? : Brilliant analysis when OP has told you what oppo had!!! @ Larson... more importantly, why have you donked off 30 bbs in the first 10 mins???!!! fwiw, i fold. still plenty of chips to wait for a better spot.
    Posted by davelufc

    Monster draw, and I knew oppo had a massive hand, and if I got there I was getting paid. I never got there!

    Turned out they only had JJ, but I would still have got paid nicely had I hut.
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited August 2013
    I fold here unless I have notes saying he has done this with a lot worse before. AK is your best hope really. JJ might shove but more likely you are looking at KK AA or AK. There might the odd time where they turn up with an underpair but it's just not worth the gamble imo
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  • K8LOUK8LOU Member Posts: 630
    edited August 2013
    I understand ur call mate but i just think its a fold really often as its a deepstack !!! unless i have notes saying the oppenent is happy to get it in light! i would call against alot of guys on the site but if i didint have any notes i think i put it down without even thinking 
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Fold or call all in first level of a deepstack MTT with queens?:
    i didnt read that bit but when ever some 1 over jams its more then likely ak as they dnt wanna see a flop 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    I disagree. Larson has 3 bet pre so there are plenty of players at the micro stakes who will shove with KK/AA because they think they will get called
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2013
    Cold 4b range monsters QQ in low stakes pokah
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