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why can't people fold rag A and why does it always hit the river

diablo_pezdiablo_pez Member Posts: 1,392
edited July 2009 in Poker Chat
MIckeyBSmall blind 100.00100.004100.00pogmanBig blind 200.00300.002165.00 Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 9
   BBB56Fold    owenzFold    STEVEIOWCall 200.00500.002645.00diablo_pezAll-in 3075.003575.000.00MIckeyBFold    pogmanFold    STEVEIOWAll-in 2645.006220.000.00Flop  
  • 4
  • 5
  • K
   Turn  
  • 7
   River  
  • A
   STEVEIOWShow
  • A
  • 8
   diablo_pezMuck
  • 9
  • 9
   diablo_pezWinPair of 9s230.00 230.00STEVEIOWWinPair of Aces5990.00 5990.00

Comments

  • diablo_pezdiablo_pez Member Posts: 1,392
    edited July 2009
    and why does STEVEIOW tell me i made a bad play....

    good luck STEVEIOW you need it
  • diablo_pezdiablo_pez Member Posts: 1,392
    edited July 2009
    ROI -46% ok, so i guess that's the first part of my question answered lolololololol
  • dowzerdowzer Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2009
    What was your thinking for going all in with the 9'S? Just curious :)
  • annie_dukeannie_duke Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2009
    well i guess looking at that ROI it shows it doesn't work for him in the long run, but yes it does seem to be the river that stings you quite often....

    chin up pez! :o)
  • diablo_pezdiablo_pez Member Posts: 1,392
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: why can't people fold rag A and why does it always hit the river:
    What was your thinking for going all in with the 9'S? Just curious :)
    Posted by dowzer
    hi there, i was on the button and was quite happy to add 500 (17%) to my stack - was my play bad/wrong?
  • dowzerdowzer Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: why can't people fold rag A and why does it always hit the river:
    In Response to Re: why can't people fold rag A and why does it always hit the river : hi there, i was on the button and was quite happy to add 500 (17%) to my stack - was my play bad/wrong?
    Posted by diablo_pez
    Wrong and bad are such harsh words and Im not a good enough player to say either way mate :)

    Just seemed like a massive move with a middle pair in an unraised pot especially when you weren't short etc. Did you think of making a smaller raise to find out where you were?
  • dowzerdowzer Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2009
    Feeling your pain - just been bust out of a deepstack with KK by someone who called a 4xBB raise with A6 off and spiked an Ace. I'm more mad at myself for not folding when the Ace came though...
  • diablo_pezdiablo_pez Member Posts: 1,392
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: why can't people fold rag A and why does it always hit the river:
    Feeling your pain - just been bust out of a deepstack with KK by someone who called a 4xBB raise with A6 off and spiked an Ace. I'm more mad at myself for not folding when the Ace came though...
    Posted by dowzer
    unlucky mate, should have stuck it allin pre-flop pez style eh ;o)
  • dowzerdowzer Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: why can't people fold rag A and why does it always hit the river:
    In Response to Re: why can't people fold rag A and why does it always hit the river : unlucky mate, should have stuck it allin pre-flop pez style eh ;o)
    Posted by diablo_pez
    Hindsight, eh? I wanted to get paid - I was greedy :)
  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2009

    how was this guy playing pre your all in move? have you stolen/ made the all in move alot?/ been ultra aggresive?

    If you went for the standard pre flop raise, although the K came you could got him off his hand on the flop since you had position.
    It just seems a lot to risk - 3k to steal 500.

  • diablo_pezdiablo_pez Member Posts: 1,392
    edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: why can't people fold rag A and why does it always hit the river:
    how was this guy playing pre your all in move? have you stolen/ made the all in move alot?/ been ultra aggresive? If you went for the standard pre flop raise, although the K came you could got him off his hand on the flop since you had position. It just seems a lot to risk - 3k to steal 500.
    Posted by NColley
    the guy was limping into nearly every pot, i figured 4xbb raise may pot commit me anyway and i guess i got the guy allin with an inferior hand at the end of the day - i just seem to get beat by raggy A way too often, when i fold them, maybe i should just rip up the textbook and play any A on here.......dunno.......helppppppppppp
  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2009
    thats true, but if we want them to call with those hands we must be prepared to accept they will win 1 in 3 times !


    eg, i just had JJ in BB with 1.6k button raised 4x BB to 400 and i knew he was stealing, i put him all in and he calls with K 9 off, needless to say he hit his K. I just added a note on him and will get him back in a different tourney.

    maybe if i flat call his raise I could of got off the hand, but this guy had been raising previous with rag cards so I figured it was worth the move.
  • BANDICOOTBANDICOOT Member Posts: 675
    edited July 2009
     Ok not realy ace rag but once again ACE on river and another good example of hooks going wrong first hand DYM
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BANDICOOT Small blind   10.00 10.00 1990.00
    Chhas Big blind   20.00 30.00 1980.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
         
    heartski16 Fold        
    chipace Fold        
    PUPS Raise   40.00 70.00 1960.00
    redpaddy Call   40.00 110.00 1960.00
    BANDICOOT Raise   500.00 610.00 1490.00
    Chhas Fold        
    PUPS Call   470.00 1080.00 1490.00
    redpaddy Fold        
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 6
    • 3
         
    BANDICOOT Bet   500.00 1580.00 990.00
    PUPS Call   500.00 2080.00 990.00
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    BANDICOOT Check        
    PUPS All-in   990.00 3070.00 0.00
    BANDICOOT All-in   990.00 4060.00 0.00
    River
       
    • A
         
    BANDICOOT Show
    • J
    • J
         
    PUPS Show
    • A
    • J
         
    PUPS Win Pair of Aces 4060.00   4060.00
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