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should i have?
screwy27
Member Posts: 113
| taffy200 | Small blind | 400.00 | 400.00 | 11888.00 | |
| rockmount | Big blind | 800.00 | 1200.00 | 38672.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| screwy27 | Call | 800.00 | 2000.00 | 25349.75 | |
| spaldin931 | Call | 800.00 | 2800.00 | 31337.50 | |
| sara36dd08 | Fold | ||||
| taffy200 | Call | 400.00 | 3200.00 | 11488.00 | |
| rockmount | Check | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| taffy200 | Check | ||||
| rockmount | Check | ||||
| screwy27 | Check | ||||
| spaldin931 | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| taffy200 | Check | ||||
| rockmount | Check | ||||
| screwy27 | Bet | 800.00 | 4000.00 | 24549.75 | |
| spaldin931 | Raise | 1600.00 | 5600.00 | 29737.50 | |
| taffy200 | Fold | ||||
| rockmount | Fold | ||||
| screwy27 | Raise | 1600.00 | 7200.00 | 22949.75 | |
| spaldin931 | Call | 800.00 | 8000.00 | 28937.50 | |
| River | |||||
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| screwy27 | Bet | 800.00 | 8800.00 | 22149.75 | |
| spaldin931 | Raise | 10400.00 | 19200.00 | 18537.50 | |
| screwy27 | All-in | 22149.75 | 41349.75 | 0.00 | |
| spaldin931 | Call | 12549.75 | 53899.50 | 5987.75 | |
| screwy27 | Show |
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| spaldin931 | Show |
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| spaldin931 | Win | Full House, Jacks and 10s | 53899.50 | ||
Comments
If we just make a min-raise we could win the pot pre-flop or we could get just one or two callers and take the pot down on the flop with a c-bet. In other words; we can win the pot without hitting our hand. In any game of hold 'em that's pretty much the idea. We won't get any more good hands than our opponents do so we need to be able to win without good hands if we ever want to achieve anything.
So raise pre-flop. I can't emphasise enough how big a mistake it is to limp in these situations... or almost ever, in fact. Everything I say after this point will be irrelevant if you don't stop limping.
As it is, we've gone to the flop four handed and flopped the nuts. Good times.
We have to bet, though. Not betting this flop is another big mistake. Since this is a limped pot we shouldn't assume that anyone else is going to bet and there's only one player left to act behind us. If we don't bet the flop, it's going to be tough to get stacks in by the river.
Think about the types of hands your opponents can be playing. They can have 78, 89, 9T, TJ, QJ, QT, J9, 8T, possibly even 99 or TT... All of those hands have hit this flop really, really hard. All of those hands will probably get it in on this flop if you bet. There are other hands that have hit this board, like Jx or Qx hands, that will probably call a bet but may not bet themselves.
If your opponents have just 55 or Ax, they're really unlikely to pay you off on later streets anyway. Checking just loses value if the turn is a Queen or pairs the board and your opponents get scared, or if they're holding a draw and they miss.
There really is no reason not to bet the flop.
On the turn our bet is far too small. We want to be playing for stacks here because we've got the nuts. If we're going to play for stacks we need to bet considerably bigger. We should size our bet in relation to the size of the pot. Standard bets would be between half-pot and full-pot and here we'd want to bet close to full-pot. We've actually just min-bet, which is a quarter of the pot - Far too small in this situation.
When we're raised, we should assume that our opponent has a good hand. Now min-3-betting is a big mistake. It is the worst value raise we can make - obviously, since it's the smallest raise we can make - and it's a raise size we would never make as a bluff. We very much turn our hand face-up here and allow our opponents to play very easily against us. 3-bet much bigger. Again, your 3-bet should be in relation to the size of the pot, not the size of the other player's raise. Min-raising post-flop is almost always a bad idea.
On the river, our value bet is way too small. We no longer have the nuts but we still have a very strong hand and people will pay us much more than this 800 if we give them the chance. I'd probably be making it between 5k and 9k on this river, if I'd got this far.
As played, I don't think there's any way we can fold to the raise on the river. We've under-represented our hand so much that our opponent can have a super-wide range for raising, including some bluffs. However, we should ask whether it's worth going all-in... We need to ask whether our opponent is going to call that shove with just trip Tens or a Jack. If he is, then it's fine to shove. If he's not, then we should just call...
It's really tough to give the villain a range on the river because of the strange and weak manner in which we've played the hand. However, after the min-raise-call on the turn, I'd be thinking his range on this river is likely to be pretty polarised to either bluffs or big hands as I can't see him playing the turn that way with just a Ten. I would probably flat the river raise as a result, because I don't think he's likely to call the rest off with a hand I beat... Though we shouldn't find ourselves in this situation at all.
So raise pre-flop, bet the flop (half-pot or more), bet more on the turn, 3-bet for more on the turn and value bet more on the river.
Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever everever ever ever everever ever ever everever ever ever everever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever should you be putting yourself in a position to go bust in a limped pot. He could have T6 T9 TJ JJ TT 99 66 here and you cannot define his range the way you played.
You are calling the river to chop at best here.
KK 4 x bb flop 10 A Q get raised pot me folded
AA 4 xbb flop 10 K 9 I pot raise get called all in he got JQ
33 limp in flop A 5 3 get called all in I call and beat aces
78s limp flop 6s 9s K get raised so call turn is As get raised call river J raised again call win with flush
66 limp flop Q J 6 get called all in win with 3/6s
10 10 limp flop 10 K K called all in beat AK
OP sits at my table.
You realise that the flop texture isn't affected by your pre-flop betting?
You ingnored their gift on the flop
You insulted their gift on the turn
The poker gods responded with great wrath and fury on the river
The poker gods are vindicated to their part.
You need to bet this flop because a) You have the nuts, and b) it's a flop that smashes your opponents' ranges, so they're unlikely to fold.
We don't want to check just because we have a massive hand and we're afraid our opponents will fold. If we bet and our opponents fold then we know they didn't have anything anyway. If they don't have anything on this type of flop, it's virtually impossible for them to improve on the turn or river to a point where they'll put lots more money in.
So we lose nothing by making them fold but we miss out on lots of value if we don't give them the chance to call with weaker hands.
You'll always think you get unlucky in online poker, because you don't play well. You've absolutely butchered the hand in OP, and your justifications are diabolical. Your play Pre, Flop, Turn AND River are all so sub-optimal I'm convinced you just button mashed the entire hand.
Look at your hands when you bust, and see if you got your money in bad. The more you see yourself get the money in behind, the greater the likelihood of you playing poorly.
GL on other sites, sure as **** gunna need it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdD0kGABmAY
prefer this one more in tune with sky poker