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River Bet?
belsibub
Member Posts: 2,527
1st hand of a dym looking for the best option as others would play it.
Is it better as it is a dym & the 1st hand to go for about the same as the turn or bit lower for more of guaranteed call or go for the max or somewhere in between.
I went for a different way than my usual just wanted to get others views mainly on river but over all as well.
Is it better as it is a dym & the 1st hand to go for about the same as the turn or bit lower for more of guaranteed call or go for the max or somewhere in between.
I went for a different way than my usual just wanted to get others views mainly on river but over all as well.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| belsibub | Small blind | 10.00 | 10.00 | 1990.00 | |
| MICKMILLER | Big blind | 20.00 | 30.00 | 1980.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| TUMTETUM | Fold | ||||
| big111styl | Fold | ||||
| KHEERY32 | Fold | ||||
| | Raise | 40.00 | 70.00 | 1960.00 | |
| belsibub | Call | 30.00 | 100.00 | 1960.00 | |
| MICKMILLER | Call | 20.00 | 120.00 | 1960.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| belsibub | Check | ||||
| MICKMILLER | Check | ||||
| Bet | 90.00 | 210.00 | 1870.00 | ||
| belsibub | Call | 90.00 | 300.00 | 1870.00 | |
| MICKMILLER | Fold | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| belsibub | Check | ||||
| Bet | 150.00 | 450.00 | 1720.00 | ||
| belsibub | Raise | 450.00 | 900.00 | 1420.00 | |
| Call | 300.00 | 1200.00 | 1420.00 | ||
| River | |||||
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Comments
Some would say don't bother playing level 1 without QQ+ but hey ho. Your set has popped up nd a full house to pot. Versus the unlikely 55 you're ahead of everything. I think you should raise 3x his flop bet for value and gain info too. Turn is fine and losing flush has hit. K on river now makes you a loser v 55, 77, kk but winning v flush and two pr hands.
As it stands and for your call of flop the flush hitting for him is more likely though 77 is a possibility. If he bets half pot on river i call. If he ai's i worry though two pocket pairs hitting sets is very unlikely and nut flush may well feel he's ahead. Difficult decision. Maybe reads on the player are needed here about what he plays early ie in levels 1/2. By calling on the flop you must feel that you are ahead and wish him to hit. A card comes which justifies his play subsequently but why do i hav the feeling that he had 77 and he stacked you?
As played i am 1st to act on the river my norm game i go 1/2 pot.
Was praying for a fourth diamond on river felt he had bare ace of diamonds so my gut said check let him bluff but not brave enough.Did the TV all-in move all or nothing move and he folded.
The fact that our opponent is the pre-flop raiser is definitely relevant here. It means that his range for betting the flop is likely to be mainly overcards and pairs. If he was a random caller, then his range for calling the flop could include a lot of diamond draws and we can get paid. However, because he's the pre-flop raiser, we should believe he's more likely to fear the flush than want to see it come in.
I'd prefer to check-raise the flop, then have the betting lead on turn and river. We can represent the draw by raising the flop and that allows us to get more money in the pot. There are so few made hands we'd be representing that our opponent is much more likely to think we're on the draw. If our opponent is on a random two overs, then he's going to fold but, unless we think that he's going to keep barrelling his bluffs through the streets, then he's not going to put much more money in anyway.
If we do think our opponent is playing a wide range and will keep barrelling, then we should probably check-call the turn and give him another chance to bluff the river by checking again. I don't play DYM's but I doubt there are too many players playing a very wide range and barrelling light on three streets.
So I'd say check-raising the flop is almost certainly best. It does depend on your own image, of course. If you're seen as someone that never semi-bluffs, then your opponent is more likely to give you credit for a hand. If that's your image, then you can easily exploit that by starting to semi-bluff more.
As played on the river, ask yourself how villain's calling range is affected by the shove compared to a smaller bet. In a cash game, if villain calls the shove with more than half of the hands he calls the half-shove bet, then the shove is better EV. DYM's are somewhat different because you're not really concerned with winning all the chips or squeezing your value spots.
The value of each chip actually decreases as your stack gets bigger. So the value of having 7k is only slightly greater than having 6k. On the other hand, the value of 3k is significantly greater than the value of 2k or even 2.5k.
That means that it's more beneficial to "lock-up" the value by betting an amount that's more likely to be called than it is to make what might be a slightly more +cEV (Expected Chip Value) spot in this type of game. So here, if we think we're only going to be called often enough to make the shove the slightly better play in terms of long-term cEV, then we should make the smaller bet. The value of the first 700 chips the villain puts in is greater to us than the value of the second 700...
...At least, that's how I see it. Some DYM beast will probably come along and tell me I'm talking nonsense soon. lol
We probably make our opponent fold an unmade hand when we raise the flop but he's likely to put in quite a lot more on the flop with a made hand. Check-calling flop is fine if we think the villain's range is wide and he's going to barrel multiple streets with air. However, we want to give him the chance to bluff three streets if that's the case. We don't want to check-raise when the draw comes in because we narrow the range he can continue with.
If we check-raise the flop we can perhaps get it in against his value range and we can rep bluffs on the turn and river. If we check-call, we're at the mercy of him betting the turn and river. We don't want a situation that allows him to check-back turn and fold river on cards that miss him or cards that scare him. Those scare cards don't have to be diamonds, they could just be overs to his pair.
Raise the flop and we likely get a lot from his overpairs. Check-call the flop and we might get something from his bluffs, but we have to know he's the type to continue and we have to give him that opportunity.