JJ in BH

F_Ivanovic

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
pointybird	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1940.00
F_Ivanovic	Big blind		40.00	60.00	3880.00
	Your hole cards	J J
stacey8908	Fold
deawatts14	Fold
AP-MCCOY	Fold
andy1947	Raise		80.00	140.00	1280.00
pointybird	Fold
F_Ivanovic	Raise		200.00	340.00	3680.00
andy1947	Raise		320.00	660.00	960.00
F_Ivanovic	All-in		3680.00	4340.00	0.00
andy1947	All-in		960.00	5300.00	0.00
F_Ivanovic	Unmatched bet		2560.00	2740.00	2560.00

F_Ivanovic

No reads at all on villain. So he min-r the BTN and then when I 3-bet, he min 4-bets me. Should I have folded here given how scary his min 4bet looks, or is getting it in fine?

grantorino

I would do the same. Looks scary, but it's a bh and you have plenty of chips so I just get it in

F_Ivanovic

What range do we give villain, out of interest?

Smitalos

1) You should always post the BI if you want good responses. It matters greatly.

2) 3b-snap fold. For a myraid of reasons. Not close imho.

CraigSG1

Depends on the player but interestingly I was in this spot twice today in BH. I raised and got two big allins. Didnt think I was behind, one had AK and the other A6s. If you have notes then go with that. If you think you are a lot better than your table then fold and find a better spot.

F_Ivanovic

Sorry, was a £5.50 bounty hunter, so I expect a pretty weak field in the main. Would that change your opinion on snap folding Smitalos?

craigcu12

in BHs of this stake JJ is certainly worth the call preflop. I once folded a QQ in a mini BH when I saw a limp 3 bet which I reraised then saw 2 all ins so I folded the QQ and to my surprised the best hand was 1010 so I folded the best one pre.

F_Ivanovic

OK, well had a good few replies so will post the results now. Don't have the hand history now but villain had J3!! So yeah, I think the lesson here is never to consider folding such a strong hand in these small tourneys vs an unknown because they can just do some crazy things.

Smitalos

In Response to Re: JJ in BH:

...So yeah, I think the lesson here is never to consider folding such a strong hand in these small tourneys vs an unknown because they can just do some crazy things.
Posted by F_Ivanovic

Given the information, I still don't like getting it in here. Even w/QQ I'd consider folding, but end up getting it in under duress just because it's a £5 BH. (as in, people suck in a 5BH, not that £5 means sweet FA or some bs like that)

/> Villian is an unknown. People rarely get in wider than the absolute nuts pre.
/> Villian min4b.
/> Villian's probably ~66yo. Super nit much.

Unless this Andy1947 is on crack, (or you have some weird timing tells, or history) I sigh-fold. Without much thought.

Maybe this is all standard for 5BH's, and everyone spazzes constantly. I have little/no experience of games at that level, so maybe I'm the one on crack for even considering folding JJ here.

offshoot

Dont think i have ever folded JJ+ pre flop in any mini ever.