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Heads-up tables

Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
edited August 2013 in Poker Chat

Partly inspired by the thread by Smitalos (did we really say that - lol)...

Heads-up is obviously a much debated area in the world of poker which we, other sites and players have discussed a lot. Some say it's the purest form of the game, others say it is bad for the 'health' of the site because of some of the things it 'encourages'.

When answering this, please give your thoughts as well as your ideas, especially if you answer 'Yes, but don't remove them'

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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited August 2013

    This will no doubt be an interesting thread which divides opinion but do remember to keep it civil. It is a hot topic but not worth falling out over!
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited August 2013
    Keep them... but make them anonymous/random seating so that the bumhunting element is removed... then everyone is happy... sort of... as happy as poker players can be...
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  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    Keep them... but make them anonymous/random seating so that the bumhunting element is removed... then everyone is happy... sort of... as happy as poker players can be...
    Posted by shakinaces
    This has been attempted on other sites and still doesn't fix the problem (of bumhunting).
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  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited August 2013
    No-one (or virtually no-one) uses them, so I think it is a sensible idea to remove them. After all, other things have been removed from the site due to lack of volume
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  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    No-one (or virtually no-one) uses them, so I think it is a sensible idea to remove them. After all, other things have been removed from the site due to lack of volume
    Posted by FCHD
    Exactly.

    If you're going to remove 10man Cash tables (where they saw a little action each day), you have to remove HU on the same basis. I don't think this is a particularly great reason to remove them, but ya know, principles are principles.

    S'more about how bad they are for the poker economy AND community.
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  • OHIMGOODOHIMGOOD Member Posts: 159
    edited August 2013
    Remove and add what you want, but if you want volume you need to ignore the regulars you're so scared of losing and go all out to encourage new members.

    For evey one reg that spends £300 a month there are 50 UK poker players who spend £2000 a month, but right now Skypoker is not seen as an option.
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  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    Remove and add what you want, but if you want volume you need to ignore the regulars you're so scared of losing and go all out to encourage new members. For evey one reg that spends £300 a month their are 50 UK poker players who spend £2000 a month, but right now Skypoker is not seen as an option.
    Posted by OHIMGOOD
    English please.
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  • OHIMGOODOHIMGOOD Member Posts: 159
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables : English please.
    Posted by Smitalos
    It is English and its quite clear to understand. Players like you are now holding Skypoker back. You want Skypoker to stay as it is because you think its soft. Increase the numbers and you wont like it.
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  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    Remove and add what you want, but if you want volume you need to ignore the regulars you're so scared of losing and go all out to encourage new members. For evey one reg that spends £300 a month their are 50 UK poker players who spend £2000 a month, but right now Skypoker is not seen as an option.
    Posted by OHIMGOOD

    a) I don't really see what that has to do with the Heads Up Cash tables

    b) Spending £2000 a month on online poker? They must be loaded then! And, therefore, I don't think there's that many of them!
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  • OHIMGOODOHIMGOOD Member Posts: 159
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables : a) I don't really see what that has to do with the Heads Up Cash tables b) Spending £2000 a month on online poker? They must be loaded then! And, therefore, I don't think there's that many of them!
    Posted by FCHD
    Join 888,-stars-ipoker etc and use Sharkscope...............There are A LOT of players based in the UK that can afford to lose or play thousands a month. The point being, when do you stop listening to people who are more interested in themselves than they are the site.

    Sky is not a big site considering the size of Sky and its potential reach. If Skypokers numbers quadrupled we would all benefit.
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  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited August 2013
    OK, I still doubt that many people can afford to lose that much regularly but I'll take your word for it.

    So, who is interested in themselves than they are the site? Those who "bumhunt" the HU Cash Tables? It sure ain't Smitalos, despite the fact this is probably the first issue I've ever agreed with him/her on, he/she seems to have the best for the site at heart.

    Yes, the need to attract new members is an issue of major importance, but to "ignore your regulars" is a very dangerous strategy for any business, even Sky Poker.
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  • HotwhealsHotwheals Member Posts: 337
    edited August 2013
    Are we talking cash heads up or sit & go heads up ???
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2013

    'Rent a table' ?

    Pay an hours worth of rake up front to get a table for an hour, (activated from when sum1 else joins)

    Can leave or top up at anytime..........

    any1 can join, good/bad/ugly.

    U can play, or leave and sacrifice ur rent ;)

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  • ms-treems-tree Member Posts: 889
    edited August 2013
    i agree with shakinaces on this one, making tables anonymous seems best way to go with heads up sit n go's and cash.

    Gl all at the tables
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,412
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    'Rent a table' ? Pay an hours worth of rake up front to get a table for an hour, (activated from when sum1 else joins) Can leave or top up at anytime.......... any1 can join, good/bad/ugly. U can play, or leave and sacrifice ur rent ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Good idea in theory but how do you determinr an hours worth of rake up front when rake depends on the size of the pots?? 

    I like playing HU but honestly never bother on sky anymore because it's boring sitting on a table waiting forever for someone to join. And when they do it's so often a shortstack where it just isn't worth the time to win their stack! 

    I used to play it more a few years ago when I played higher stakes. Best session was one afternoon at 2/4 where I rinsed Sparce for 6k!! I think 25p/50p and up you can still keep HU tables but below that I don't think it sees enough action.
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  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited August 2013
    Will address all posts and the points within them when I return from the grind. Just as a matter of importance though...

    Removing HU games would BENEFIT the site, and the recreational players too. (the latter usually leading to the former)
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  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    I think 25p/50p and up you can still keep HU tables but below that I don't think it sees enough action.

    yet the only ones going 10 minutes ago (and the only ones I've seen actually with 2 players on them after several trawls since early afternoon) were 1 at 5p/10p and another at 10p/20p
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables : Good idea in theory but how do you determinr an hours worth of rake up front when rake depends on the size of the pots??  I like playing HU but honestly never bother on sky anymore because it's boring sitting on a table waiting forever for someone to join. And when they do it's so often a shortstack where it just isn't worth the time to win their stack!  I used to play it more a few years ago when I played higher stakes. Best session was one afternoon at 2/4 where I rinsed Sparce for 6k!! I think 25p/50p and up you can still keep HU tables but below that I don't think it sees enough action.
    Posted by F_Ivanovic
    just take the avg rake paid per hour over the huge sample of hands HU hands that have been dealt on sky, then maybe half it, and charge that.

    Meet half way, to encourage action.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited August 2013
    Are HU Cash tables not pointless due to the Rake?

    After an hour if both players won the exact same amount, they would be down a fortune.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2013
    In Response to Re: Heads-up tables:
    Are HU Cash tables not pointless due to the Rake? After an hour if both players won the exact same amount, they would be down a fortune.
    Posted by LARSON7
    This is no different to any form of cash poker. On any cash table you need to be good enough to beat your opponents AND the rake otherwise you aint a winning player.

    HU is the same, you do pay a lot of rake, but if you have an edge over an opponent then there's a ton of money to be made. This is obv why loads of people bumhunt and wait for people they know they have an enourmous edge against and likewise why they refuse to play anyone half decent because even if they think they are slightly better, their edge will be small, results will likely be more swingy and they'll just be winning less £££ per hour.
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