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advice please with these hands

craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
edited September 2013 in The Poker Clinic
I have a few hands I would like to ask about it's after the mistake I did with two hands today against idonkcallu
those two are not the ones I want to ask about here I already did post one of them and the other was again a bad call.

the are I am want to ask about are these

hand 1 should I be making the jam if I am not folding this river?
craigcu12 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £23.39
rancid Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £38.32
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
     
gibbzy Fold     
IDONKCALLU Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £19.61
POKEY2011 Fold     
Donttelmum Fold     
craigcu12 Raise  £0.75 £1.20 £22.64
rancid Fold     
IDONKCALLU Raise  £2.00 £3.20 £17.61
craigcu12 Call  £1.50 £4.70 £21.14
Flop
   
  • A
  • 6
  • Q
     
craigcu12 Check     
IDONKCALLU Check     
Turn
   
  • 10
     
craigcu12 Bet  £2.35 £7.05 £18.79
IDONKCALLU Call  £2.35 £9.40 £15.26
River
   
  • 5
     
craigcu12 Check     
IDONKCALLU Bet  £7.40 £16.80 £7.86
craigcu12 Call  £7.40 £24.20 £11.39
IDONKCALLU Show

   
craigcu12 Show
  • A
  • K
   
craigcu12 Win Pair of Aces £22.80  £34.19
hand 2 would a villain have been more tempted to bluff if I made a bet on the turn ?
craigcu12 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £19.85
wasnmee Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £7.20
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
Donttelmum Fold     
binks42 Fold     
DEFOE007 Call  £0.10 £0.25 £11.96
StevBeaman Raise  £0.30 £0.55 £29.88
craigcu12 Raise  £0.95 £1.50 £18.90
wasnmee Fold     
DEFOE007 Call  £0.90 £2.40 £11.06
StevBeaman Call  £0.70 £3.10 £29.18
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 9
  • A
     
craigcu12 Bet  £1.30 £4.40 £17.60
DEFOE007 Fold     
StevBeaman Call  £1.30 £5.70 £27.88
Turn
   
  • 9
     
craigcu12 Check     
StevBeaman Check     
River
   
  • 3
     
craigcu12 Check     
StevBeaman Bet  £2.85 £8.55 £25.03
craigcu12 Raise  £6.00 £14.55 £11.60
StevBeaman Call  £3.15 £17.70 £21.88
craigcu12 Show
  • A
  • A
   
StevBeaman Muck
  • 4
  • J
   
craigcu12 Win Full House, Aces and 9s £16.37  £27.97
hand 3 should I be fold these post flop
hogan2089 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £19.25
gibbzy Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £85.63
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • K
     
Kanyu Fold     
POKEY2011 Fold     
Donttelmum Fold     
craigcu12 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £23.09
hogan2089 Raise  £1.05 £1.50 £18.20
gibbzy Call  £1.00 £2.50 £84.63
craigcu12 Call  £0.80 £3.30 £22.29
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 9
  • 8
     
hogan2089 Check     
gibbzy Bet  £1.65 £4.95 £82.98
craigcu12

Comments

  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
    edited September 2013

    the difficulty I've been having is trying to get the callers which i think in part was because quite often they called with any two cards suited or any Ax then if they missed the flop were just folding so i have been getting loose and aggressive.

  • jams88jams88 Member Posts: 694
    edited September 2013
    Hand 1 if your not folding the river the line you took is fine abit of a hero but well played

    Hand 2 bet all streets villian will come along if he has something and fold a high%  of the time but i think it is better just to keep betting imo

    Hand 3 easy fold on the flop
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited September 2013
    I like your post-flop line in the first hand, though I think you should 3-bet bigger pre-flop. What made the 3-bet to 80p better than a 3-bet to 90p or £1? If you didn't have a specific reason in mind for making it this particular size, it indicates you need to give more thought to your sizings in future.


    In the second hand with AA, you should c-bet the flop quite a bit bigger. Bet the same size as you would with AK or KhJh. This flop is super-wet and we can get value from so many other hands. We don't need to be afraid that it's difficult for our opponent to have an Ace because' he'll continue with such a wide range here anyway. This is a fabulous board to get value from, so get more value by betting bigger. If he folds, he must have had an underpair or some other hand that we couldn't have gained any more value from anyway. 

    I don't mind checking the turn if we think this villain is the type to semi-bluff turns or value bet weaker. I don't mind checking if we think villain is going to call the flop with just second pair and fold to a second barrel... Generally speaking I'd just be giving my opponent the opportunity to call me again but checking isn't too bad.

    After the villain checks-back the turn, we absolutely must bet the river. We can never give him the opportunity to check-back all his weaker Aces or Queens. If he has a flush he will call or raise the river anyway and if he has a full house he's definitely raising. We lose so much value against the majority of his range by checking the river.


    On the button with KQs, obviously the raise is good. After we've been 3-bet we need to think about the 3-better's and the caller's respective ranges. I don't mind calling this 3-bet if we're assuming that the 3-better isn't a nit that only 3-bets premium or near premium hands. Obviously against a nits range we're in really bad shape but otherwise our position is a good enough reason to call.

    We've missed the flop high, wide and handsome. If we're thinking about calling we have to know what we're going to do on the turn or river. We shouldn't expect to have the best hand too often with just KQ-high at showdown, so we have to be able to take it away on later streets.

    So what do we think of a) the pre-flop 3-better's range for 3-betting in the small blind then checking the flop three-handed, and b) the flop better's range for leading out?

    We want both our opponents to have marginal hands a lot of the time. We also want to be able to represent cards that alter the texture of the board so it has to be believable that we'd flat call here with a draw and then take off when we hit...

    Basically we want to have good reads on our opponents before making these floats. We might see this as a good potential situation to possibly bluff but if we don't know that our opponents are going to give up alot on later streets, we shouldn't simply hope that they will. Floating 3-handed on draw-heavy flops is probably not that great anyway. We're much better off doing this in heads-up pots where the draws make up more of our range than our opponent's. 

    Just fold, readless.
  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
    edited September 2013

    BL
    with KQ part of my plan with the post flop was thinking of stealing the pot repping a flush or AK/AQ .
    one of the odd things about the hand was the guy who makes the bet post flop actually just called the raise pre so what I was thinking their was the villain who reraised preflop is either trapping with a premium pair or has miss with AK/Q so therefore checks so the guy who does the bet  will be holding a middle pair and knowing the range that I have being OTB and considering how wet the board is he charges me. if any A K Q or J came on the turn and he only checked I would attempt a bluff right away.
    I did do it once against idonkcallu
    I did a raise preflop but got reraised so made the call then the flop came with an A and the guy who had bet preflop checks so idonkcallu bets and I was thinking because I did a raise preflop i could try repping top pair decent kicker so do a raise and if a K Q or if the board pairs the turn i will go for a large bet as an even better signal of AK/Q and it worked.

    gibbzy Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £87.58
    IDONKCALLU Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £38.59
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • K
         
    GREGHOGG Fold     
    Donttelmum Fold     
    craigcu12 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £28.66
    rancid Fold     
    gibbzy Raise  £1.05 £1.50 £86.53
    IDONKCALLU Call  £1.00 £2.50 £37.59
    craigcu12 Call  £0.80 £3.30 £27.86
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 8
    • 2
         
    gibbzy Check     
    IDONKCALLU Bet  £2.20 £5.50 £35.39
    craigcu12 Raise  £5.00 £10.50 £22.86
    gibbzy Fold     
    IDONKCALLU Call  £2.80 £13.30 £32.59
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    IDONKCALLU Check     
    craigcu12 Bet  £6.65 £19.95 £16.21
    IDONKCALLU Fold     
    craigcu12 Show
    • Q
    • K
       
    craigcu12 Win  £12.30  £28.51
    craigcu12 Return  £6.65 £1.00 £35.16
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