was i right to call the flop?

craigcu12

my reading of the villain was his bets were either representing a very good hand or he was holding total air.
with this flop being a paired board it was still hard to tell i decided to call because he did say in the chat box i play
like a callstaion sometime and should be raising also i did catch him out with KQ a few hands earlier  when he thought i had Ax.
the biggest part that got me to call but was with the flop being 773 i expect a lot of pairs to do a cbet and with me having position i know   how he feels about the turn card if he saw it.

craigcu12	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£39.03
x	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£36.44
	Your hole cards	9 A
Donttelmum	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.25	£0.40	£38.78
x	Raise		£0.90	£1.30	£35.54
craigcu12	Call		£0.70	£2.00	£38.08
Flop
		3 7 7
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£1.40	£3.40	£34.14
craigcu12	Call		£1.40	£4.80	£36.68
Turn
		8
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£3.20	£8.00	£30.94
craigcu12	Call		£3.20	£11.20	£33.48
River
		Q
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£6.90	£18.10	£24.04
craigcu12	Raise		£15.00	£33.10	£18.48
x	Call		£8.10	£41.20	£15.94
craigcu12	Show	9 A
x	Muck	K K
craigcu12	Win	Flush to the Ace	£39.80		£58.28

hhyftrftdr

You don't have position Craig.

I've gotta say, as an outsider with no idea of table dynamic, this looks pretty poor play. What do you do on the turn if it's the 2d and he bets again? Double float out of position with A high? Are you planning on just calling down with A high?

Not sure how we made it to the river, but we should ship the rest in here all day long.

craigcu12

these were some of the hands prior to this one that questioned weather I was behind

when he did the reraise I was thinking surely he has a decent pair or AKs so fold my 1010 when what does he show J7o

Donttelmum	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£36.27
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£23.13
POKEY2011	Sit out
DEFOE007	Big blind		£0.10	£0.25	£11.82
	Your hole cards	10 10
rancid	Fold
DEFOE007	Check
IDONKCALLU	Raise		£0.40	£0.65	£19.90
Donttelmum	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.90	£1.55	£22.23
DEFOE007	Fold
IDONKCALLU	Raise		£2.90	£4.45	£17.00
craigcu12	Fold
IDONKCALLU	Show	7 J
IDONKCALLU	Win		£2.15		£19.15
IDONKCALLU	Return		£2.30	£0.00	£21.45

i did manage to push him off a hand easily too he said to me he actually had an A himself  so it was as if he expected me to have either the 3rd 8 or AK-AQ

gibbzy	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£87.58
IDONKCALLU	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£38.59
	Your hole cards	Q K
GREGHOGG	Fold
Donttelmum	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£28.66
rancid	Fold
gibbzy	Raise		£1.05	£1.50	£86.53
IDONKCALLU	Call		£1.00	£2.50	£37.59
craigcu12	Call		£0.80	£3.30	£27.86
Flop
		A 8 2
gibbzy	Check
IDONKCALLU	Bet		£2.20	£5.50	£35.39
craigcu12	Raise		£5.00	£10.50	£22.86
gibbzy	Fold
IDONKCALLU	Call		£2.80	£13.30	£32.59
Turn
		8
IDONKCALLU	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£6.65	£19.95	£16.21
IDONKCALLU	Fold
craigcu12	Show	Q K
craigcu12	Win		£12.30		£28.51
craigcu12	Return		£6.65	£1.00	£35.16

basically i could sense he was bluffing and sometimes was scared easily of me

craigcu12

face the facts
this table was a MS table not a nl4p
nl4 is passive nitty villians who hardly ever do bets.

things will change as the months pass and i get more use to the aggressive play

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: was i right to call the flop?:

You don't have position Craig. I've gotta say, as an outsider with no idea of table dynamic, this looks pretty poor play. What do you do on the turn if it's the 2d and he bets again? Double float out of position with A high? Are you planning on just calling down with A high? Not sure how we made it to the river, but we should ship the rest in here all day long.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

I don't think there would be too much wrong with calling IDONK down with just Ace-high here. From the hands he's posted on other threads, IDONK could easily be holding random air hands and this board isn't exactly super-wet. It would be quite easy for our Ace to be best.

That of course depends on whether we think IDONK barrels multiple streets with just a bluff, which will itself depend on what he's seen us call down with and the boards we've given up on. If we've check-folded every time we've missed and called or raised when we've hit, he's unlikely to keep barrelling with air.


So I don't think there's owt wrong with the call on the flop, assuming you believe you have the best hand a fair proportion of the time. You're going to face some tough decisions on later streets but we mustn't be afraid of tough decisions.

I tend to think that if we're planning to check-fold a flop like 377 then we shouldn't be calling the 3-bet pre-flop. We can't just be calling to hit and give up every time we don't if we want to avoid haemorrhaging money OOP to decent opponents.

hhyftrftdr

At the time, I didn't know who the villain was BL, as it was * out in the initial post. I wasn't saying that calling down OOP with A high was bad (this is obviously villain dependent), but vs a random reg, I'm not sure it's the best line to take. 

Now we know it's IDCU, we just call down for value