I know I want the call but....

watto84

Can they really make that on the turn!?

Hand History #693235539 (10:32 24/09/2013)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceStupormanSmall blind £0.50£0.50£16.50watto84Big blind £0.50£1.00£115.26 Your hole cards45   Simmy4kRaise £1.50£2.50£74.0160nine60Fold    Bella_lasaCall £1.50£4.00£40.04b123nFold    StupormanFold    watto84Call £1.00£5.00£114.26Flop  75K   watto84Check    Simmy4kCheck    Bella_lasaBet £2.50£7.50£37.54watto84Call £2.50£10.00£111.76Simmy4kFold    Turn  4   watto84Check    Bella_lasaBet £7.50£17.50£30.04watto84All-in £111.76£129.26£0.00Bella_lasaAll-in £30.04£159.30£0.00watto84Unmatched bet £74.22£85.08£74.22watto84Show45   Bella_lasaShow10K   River  7   Bella_lasaWinTwo Pairs, Kings and 7s£83.28 £83.28

hhyftrftdr

In the bin pre, all day long.

Slipwater

Yeah, you really should never have been in the pot in the first place.

Talon

 In the most recent cash game aired on the channel a hand came up very similar to this and gave one of the best bits of commentary ever.

  Weak hand out of position and without the betting lead, the fish trifecta.

  I can understand why you might want to play these hands but in all honesty are you really calling preflop to hit bottom pair bad kicker. Yes you got your money in good and he got lucky but you should never have even been in that situation in the first place.

BorinLoner

150BBeff, I don't think it's necessarily the worst of calls pre-flop. We're relatively deep and it's possible that we feel we can outplay our opponents post flop, even being out of position. However, you're going to need to have great confidence in your post-flop game and in the reads you have on your opponents. You want them to be very predictable and, preferably, timid. So you think you can force them to fold good hands a lot of the time on scary boards.

If you're not supremely confident that you can pwn these guys post-flop, then it's definitely a bad call. Being out of position is going to leave you with all the tough decisions, and you certainly won't want to be continuing post-flop with just one-pair without specific reads on your opponents. If you're calling pre-flop just to hit your hand, then it's unlikely to be a good situation.

In most circumstances the pre-flop call is not going to be good.


Post-flop, as played, we need to think about our play on the flop. We're calling a bet on a King-high board in a multi-way pot with bottom-pair, no kicker. We have very few ways to improve on the turn and river and we know there are lots of bad cards that can come for us. We're also going to be out of position on two more streets, so if our opponent keeps betting, can we keep calling? Probably not. That's something we need to think about before we make the call on the flop - What are we going to do if we miss the turn and he bets again?


On the turn having hit two-pair, I might just check-call again. When we check-raise here, it should be pretty easy for our opponent to fold a hand like KT. He should see that it's unlikely that we're bluffing and we would never play a weaker value hand than his in this way. He should probably be able to fold AK in this situation unless he's seen us do this with weak hands before. If he's folding AK, then he's folding every hand we beat. He shouldn't call with any draws, given the price we're offering him.

The only reason to check-shove the turn is if we already know that this particular opponent is incapable of folding hands like top-pair to this action. Then it's fine. Be honest with yourself about whether you really knew that, though.