OK, I think the majority of us agree with it being a call but I wonder at what point do we start folding? JJ? 88? 66? All 2 pair hands are pretty easy folds IMO, but how high of a set do we need? I think JJ is where it gets really close. 88 or worse and I am comfortable in folding but I just don't know with jacks!!
@ Lambert: Did you see the rest of villains tourney play? I think earlier in the thread someone mentioned he got it in with 82 on an 8xx flop after calling a 3x raise pre. Does that look like someone who is scared and unwilling to put it in w/o the nuts? Rather it suggests he overvalues hands but is willing to go with something if he thinks it's ahead. Just because someone appers to be loose/passive doesn't mean they won't overvalue hands that they think are the nuts in a specific situation. They may be calling a lot because most of the time they only have a pair/draw at best but when they have 2 pair or better they will take off.
hh also said that they'd click backed river a few times - now unless they're picking up constant monsters then there's a good chance that they're raising relatively wide for value in some spots.
I'm glad this hand has provoked a nice debate, the only good thing to come from the hand in my eyes!
I hated that raise. Absolutely hated it. And I knew that I was quite possibly up against the straight. But I was also confident the villain would consider JJ, 88 and 66 as the nuts, and maybe even QJ. In the very brief time I had to make a decision, I felt I had to go for it. If I'm behind to the only hand in the deck, I have outs. If I'm ahead, which I feel I am a healthy amount of the time, I'm miles ahead and scooping a huge pot. But it was a gamble to a degree and I was very aware it was for my tournament life. Been dwelling on it all day and can't decide in my own mind if it was the right call, when I have time to think about it. In that tiny time bar you get on Sky, with such limited time to process your thoughts, I couldn't find the fold button.
Paul, your comments about my ''big edge'' in a Roller are very kind but probably misplaced. The Roller generally attracts a different quality of tournament player. Whilst I think I'm probably one of the better MTT players on the site, in a Roller I don't feel that I have much of an edge, unless I get a fortunate table draw.
Worst part is, I have to wait a month for the next one!
I think you underestimate yourself or underestimate the number of weak players that will just BI to take a shot or satellite in. From what I've seen the standard is pretty poor, granted you'll get a few very good players who might not normally play on Sky to give it a go but I still think out of the 292 runners, I'd be shocked if you weren't a better player than probably 240+ of them, and I mean considerably better
Its never a fold in game. The prob is as its been posted, people will say ye well it has to be a straight so id prob fold etc. Like i say in game no1 ever folds ere
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OK, I think the majority of us agree with it being a call but I wonder at what point do we start folding? JJ? 88? 66? All 2 pair hands are pretty easy folds IMO, but how high of a set do we need? I think JJ is where it gets really close. 88 or worse and I am comfortable in folding but I just don't know with jacks!!
@ Lambert: Did you see the rest of villains tourney play? I think earlier in the thread someone mentioned he got it in with 82 on an 8xx flop after calling a 3x raise pre. Does that look like someone who is scared and unwilling to put it in w/o the nuts? Rather it suggests he overvalues hands but is willing to go with something if he thinks it's ahead. Just because someone appers to be loose/passive doesn't mean they won't overvalue hands that they think are the nuts in a specific situation. They may be calling a lot because most of the time they only have a pair/draw at best but when they have 2 pair or better they will take off.
hh also said that they'd click backed river a few times - now unless they're picking up constant monsters then there's a good chance that they're raising relatively wide for value in some spots.
Was an all in right? So it's quite a big raise.
Slip makes the point really well, about going with instinct and gut feel. Clearly you fold, you have your stack, call and lose and you are out.
Not that it matters either way, we called and lost it's just a cooler.
essentially you should never fold
such a long thread