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movie cryptic part 4

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  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited September 2013
    In Response to Re: movie cryptic part 4:
    18 Getting desperate - The Hole?
    Posted by 4EVERGREEN
     Wild stab in the dark misses by a long way
  • lufc333lufc333 Member Posts: 1,306
    edited September 2013



     18, SKY FALL?
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited September 2013
    In Response to Re: movie cryptic part 4:
     18, SKY FALL?
    Posted by lufc333
     Thats only 1 word unfortunately
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited September 2013
    Is the spelling of Excercise significant? As in the extra C?
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited September 2013
    14) Pirates !

    Pilates change the L to R!
  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited September 2013
    Late comer,

    18 the ring?

    Cheers, 
    TEDDY
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited September 2013
    Well done guys that is both correct
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited September 2013
    Thanks Talon, can't believe I would have ever seriously attempted cryptics without these threads, never mind found myself working some out.

    Setting them must be a whole new level though so Respect Sir! I can't begin to see how you come up with clues like the Aliens one.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited September 2013
    Had a bash at setting one back for you Talon.

    Band initial and map combine for a place that is not heaven (6,2)


  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited September 2013
    Vivaldi Composition starts a rerun? (6,6,6,6,3,6)
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: movie cryptic part 4:
    Vivaldi Composition starts a rerun? (6,6,6,6,3,6)
    Posted by Phantom66
     Spring,summer,autumn,winter and spring. Bit of a toughie with that being about its third title. The first in its original language then followed by the standard americanised one which had fall instead of autumn before this one for the UK. Must admit though the other clue has me stumped
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: movie cryptic part 4:
    In Response to Re: movie cryptic part 4 :  Spring,summer,autumn,winter and spring. Bit of a toughie with that being about its third title. The first in its original language then followed by the standard americanised one which had fall instead of autumn before this one for the UK. Must admit though the other clue has me stumped
    Posted by Talon
    As you know your stuff I didn't want to patronise you.

    Re the other one I fear I may confused a cryptic officiando with a slightly misleading use of language (unintended at the time).

    Perhaps a slightly more correct setting would be

    Initially another band and a map combine to give a place that is not heaven (6,2)

  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    ... and as we are in britain I think it's fair to use british titles!
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: movie cryptic part 4:
    ... and as we are in britain I think it's fair to use british titles!
    Posted by Phantom66
     True. But left only one route possible and vivaldi was total give away. If you went for the american version then you could have gone.

     Does bouncy mathematician stumble over season only to bounce again
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013

    Initially another band and a map combine to give a place that is not heaven (6,2)

    Even then thinking about that change I may be misleading you - dont want to spoil the chase - but not fair if my naivety is making it impossible to solve!

    The main key to solving the clue is you need to build an anagram from the initial of another word for band and the whole of another word for map.

    "place that is not heaven" contains 2 clues one to the whole answer and one to the second part of the answer


  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited October 2013
     Have one possible answer and if it is not right then you can have the win

     Band is a group which gives us G combined with atlas(from map)  leads to stalag

     Only stalag i know is stalag 17. Brilliant prisoner film by the way. Cant see where the 17 comes from but any stalag would be not heaven
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: movie cryptic part 4:
     Have one possible answer and if it is not right then you can have the win  Band is a group which gives us G combined with atlas(from map)  leads to stalag  Only stalag i know is stalag 17. Brilliant prisoner film by the way. Cant see where the 17 comes from but any stalag would be not heaven
    Posted by Talon
    Correct of course, think knowing it is a film too is key to completing the answer.

    There is no literal expanation of 17 - so probably another mistake of mine in clue setting.

    There is a band Heaven 17 - which is not the answer.

    If you could suggest a more correct question based on my logic I would appreciate it
  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited October 2013
    cryptic clues do have a standarised form, and rules.

    first the clue should contain a definition either at the beginning or the end of the clue,  never in the middle.

    there should be no extraneous words. if it doesn't refer to the answer directly or form part of the 'instructions' on how to get the answer, it shouldn't be there.

    you shouldn't really anagram words not in the clue. 'atlas ground-force' could clue stalag, where 'ground' is an anagram indicator and force = g. but 'map ground-force would not be seen as 'fair game'.

    column loses little, group loses sanctuary: it's no fun here [6,2]

    would be one way of clueing it.

    column [stalagmite] loses [take off] little [mite], group [heaven 17] loses [take off] sanctuary [heaven], it's no fun here [definiton of the clue]. 

    note the clue reads like a sentence, the suface meaning is kinda cloudy, and you have to decipher the clue from there.

    some clues are called &lits. these are the diamonds in the rough for setters and solvers. here the answer and the cryprtic clue combine, often in surprising ways. consider:

    bust down reason! [9]

    this looks like a regular consise clue, and in many ways it is. it leads to the answer BRAINWASH, that is to break down someones reasoning ability. why is it in a cryptic crossword then? well you can also split BRAINWASH into BRA IN WASH: a reason why ones bust may be down.

    have fun with these, the mail and express both have excellent and accessible prize crosswords daily. the broadsheets are musch more taxing but solving them is a joy when you bink one.

    cheers,
    TEDDY

  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    Thanks @teddy - seems I have a LOT to learn!
  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited October 2013
    the daily express is an absolute rag, but it has two things going for it. the beachcomber column [running for summat ridic like 94years] and it's daily cryptic, which pays £100 i think. which is the highest daily prize in the papers. it's largely solvable by novice / new  solvers but still contains some stuff to make you think. i would never recommend buying that paper, but if you enjoyed these it's a great crossword to learn the basics with.

    cheers,
    TEDDY
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