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AJs with 1 limper who's a station. What's our action?

DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
edited October 2013 in The Poker Clinic
Top 6 players get paid, 10 players left.  Reads on UTG is that he's a calling station and will definitely call a raise pre-flop and if he hits anything on flop or has a PP he will not be folding due to previous experiences.

Question is, what are we doing? Raising? if so, how much? Thoughts on shoving?



PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancePlayer1Small blind 200.00200.005410.00Player2Big blind 400.00600.007430.00 Your hole cardsAJ   Player3Call 400.001000.009923.75DoubleAAA? ?1000.007680.00Player4    
Btn has ~5600.00
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  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited October 2013

    Shove and pick up an extra 1000 chips the vast majority of the time.

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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: AJs with 1 limper who's a station. What's our action?:
    Shove and pick up an extra 1000 chips the vast majority of the time.
    Posted by gazza127
    Means we'll be shoving 19bbs.  When we shove and get a fold around we gain an extra 13% of our stack but if we're called, what are we expecting to call us?
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited October 2013
    I think 20xBB is too big to shove over a limp with no antes, we just put ourselves in a spot where we're screwed everytime we get called (except maybe the odd like 99/TT that we flip with). Not many are ever calling here with AT or even small PPs.

    It's good that he's a station, I'd just raise to like 1k ish, that's enough imo (given your stack size) to put people off getting involved behind with anything marginal. If you get shipped on you're behind almost 100% of the time on most tables and if that doesn't happen, we play a pot IP against a weak range.
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  • goodylad21goodylad21 Member Posts: 693
    edited October 2013
    Seen a few of your posts & you seem obsessed with 'How many people get paid' - should not even enter your head if your going ftw :)

    Just concentrate on getting your chips in good & leave the rest to the poker gods...
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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: AJs with 1 limper who's a station. What's our action?:
    Seen a few of your posts & you seem obsessed with 'How many people get paid' - should not even enter your head if your going ftw :) Just concentrate on getting your chips in good & leave the rest to the poker gods...
    Posted by goodylad21
    Not obsessed with how many get paid but just giving the specifics for the game.  So what would you advise we do in this spot? Are you advocating shoving 20bbs here? Would that really be our optimal play?
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  • weedgiweedgi Member Posts: 103
    edited October 2013
    raise to 1050/1100 try get pot hu with limper , fold to any reraise
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2013
    raise/call 1100
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2013
    Ok so you have to consider the stacks behind you and if you raise are you calling a shove according to the effective shove

    so it's either

    r/f

    r/c

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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited October 2013
    So it's fair to say we're never shoving here?
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  • goodylad21goodylad21 Member Posts: 693
    edited October 2013
    Dont know why you have posted this hand tbh - Even my pet dog would know what to do in this spot....

    Not having a dig, so dont go getting on your high horse :)
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited October 2013
    Can either raise to 1k, maybe more, or ship it. Think either option is fine, and the table dynamic will determine which line is best to take.

    19bb sounds like quite a lot to jam, but it's not really. 
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    Why would you not want to be playing a calling station post flop in position where you will most likely know exactly where you are in the hand?

    The real consideration is how active the players are behind you to determine size of raise, small if they are tight, would consider an all-in if they are loose and aggressive even at 19bb.
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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited October 2013
    I really was not sure if I should shove or raise to 1000/1100 here but I elected to shove.  BB called me with AA which was just bad luck for me and naturally the limper folded. 

    Shoving 19bbs at first glance seems okay, but if called what calls us? As mentioned earlier, we don't get calls from AT and small PPs so we're hoping to flip at best with 99-TT otherwise we're crushed.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited October 2013
    Surprise surprise, you post another hand close to the money where you walked into aces.


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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: AJs with 1 limper who's a station. What's our action?:
    Surprise surprise, you post another hand close to the money where you walked into aces.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Result is irrelevant and not bothered in the slightest. The play is the factor here. Shoving 19bbs seemed spewy and the general opinion here shows that raising would have been the best option rather than jamming.  If I was bothered about the results, I wouldn't give the outcome, is that what you would prefer?
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited October 2013
    raise to ~1100, use reads, go from there
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