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UDirtyRATUDirtyRAT Member Posts: 14
edited October 2013 in Brags, Beats and Variance
 BAD BEATS  SET UPS  RUNNER RUNNER NOW I KNOW ABOUT VARIANCE IVE BEEN PLAYING 8 YRS AN BEEN  PLAYING ON SKY SINCE THE START BUT THIS IS GETTING STUPID THE PROBARBILTY FACTORS ON SOME OF THESE ARE CRAZY YET IVE SEEN SOME CRAZY STUFF NOT ONLY MY HANDS OTHER PLAYERS YES IVE BEEN ON THE WINNING SIDE AS WELL AS THE LOSING SIDE (MOSTLY) AND HAVE BEEN THROUGH MANY BAD SPELLS  BUT IVE NEVER SEEN THIS CONSISTANCY ON SKY  WHERE THE MONEY IN INEVITABLY GOING IN THERE  SOMEHOW ,ONLY TO SEE SOMETHING CRAZY ...................PARANOIA IS SETTING IN BIG TIME ..........CONSPIRICY THEORYS AND ALL THAT .............UDIRTYRAT
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  • stoneface1stoneface1 Member Posts: 92
    edited October 2013
    You are not alone and there is one simple reason and one simple solution to the problem/question. The software does not perform to the expected probabilities produced by a random shuffle of a deck of cards! Not only that but it performs in a way that creates a positive expectation, i.e; there will be more big hands dealt and combined and, of course, a very unusual amount of bad beats and so called 'variance'!

    The organisation that provides the rubber stamp for licence has no ongoing involvement in checking the veracity of software performance and furthermore it removes itself, by way of a disclaimer, from any future movement away from their original findings (whatever they may be). This basically means that the software running the RNG is not under any scrutiny whatsoever and its performance was only checked within original parameters (also open to misrepresentation of expected probability) to obtain a licence to operate. Is this beginning to smell fishy?

    The solution is a robust body scrutinising and regulating or an independent assessment of software veracity. Chance of it happening- ZERO. Sky want to make money and they are a small fish in a big online pond and cant afford to run honest or the best and most accurate RNG software because they would lose custom. Thats why the large percentage of MTT's are bounty hunters, to encourage gambling and paper over the cracks in their software products.

    @sky poker; happy for your proof to any of this being incorrect!!??
  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,962
    edited October 2013

    I have 1 question
    are you referring to the same type of hands like what most others seem to put in the BBV?

    if you are then what difference does the pot size make when sky has already got it's money from the entry fee of them MTT.

    all them chips do that are in the pot during hands is go to whoever wins that hand sky poker doesn't get anything from it at all their money is from the entry fee simple as that.

    if however it is cash tables well then most times you must be simply not holding a chip stack that is 100 BB or your just not charging them big simply make notes on them that they chase runner runner then if you see a heart on the turn and river which created that flush well you will know he could well hold the flush.

  • stoneface1stoneface1 Member Posts: 92
    edited October 2013
    There is no point referring to different game types; player types, tournament types or anything else for that matter. Poker probability doesnt respect any of it and statistical information does not change regardless of whether the player, game or tournament type does, except as relevant to the amount of players sat down.
    The evidence as it stands is largely anecdotal because full evidence cannot be gained but I think its rubbish to suggest that a large amount of complainants are only bitter, or worse, stupid! I witness crazy levels of variance on this site at every table seemingly and in every tournament, and as far as I am concerned its got to be deliberate and a safeguard/promoter that maintains the greatest possible profit for the poker site.
    If the person calling your A's and others with 7-2, 10-6, etc, doesnt win enough of the time he's going to leave the site and i seem to suffer those types of beats from players that seem to have no regard for poker probability or statistical analysis whatsover? In the end you cant put it down to running bad when you are losing with consistency with the best hand as well as watching others suffering the same fate.

    I for one agree with you udirtyrat.
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    I have 1 question are you referring to the same type of hands like what most others seem to put in the BBV? if you are then what difference does the pot size make when sky has already got it's money from the entry fee of them MTT. all them chips do that are in the pot during hands is go to whoever wins that hand sky poker doesn't get anything from it at all their money is from the entry fee simple as that. if however it is cash tables well then most times you must be simply not holding a chip stack that is 100 BB or your just not charging them big simply make notes on them that they chase runner runner then if you see a heart on the turn and river which created that flush well you will know he could well hold the flush.
    Posted by craigcu12
    I love your posts
  • UDirtyRATUDirtyRAT Member Posts: 14
    edited October 2013
    Thanks for the advice Craig lol.        Yes I was talking cash but sky wouldn't have different program's for s an g, mtt an cash so it would effect all formats anyway I don't believe there's anything funny going on I was just having a rant after another suc out but saying that as I said I've been playing on sky since the start and I'm seeing some crazy stuff like one outers on the river etc   too often for variance ..........
  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited October 2013
    like these?! these hands were in the space of 45mins on sat night!

    First hand I was nearly 93% fav, hand 2 I was 81% fav, hand 3 I was 87% fav and last hand 72% (split 5%). Sat night was not a good night for me lol

    my point - you couldn't really hope to get your money in on better spots than these but the probability that I win all 4 of these hands is only 47%. It's just variance!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    jdsallstar Small blind  50.00 50.00 840.00
    ficino Big blind  100.00 150.00 1675.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    sumopig Raise  200.00 350.00 2715.00
    GNASHER927 Fold     
    trojan2813 Fold     
    jdsallstar All-in  840.00 1190.00 0.00
    ficino Fold     
    sumopig Call  690.00 1880.00 2025.00
    jdsallstar Show
    • A
    • A
       
    sumopig Show
    • K
    • A
       
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • Q
    • J
         
    Turn
       
    • 10
         
    River
       
    • 3
         
    sumopig Win Straight to the Ace 1880.00  3905.00
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    jdsallstar Small blind  100.00 100.00 1095.00
    THORNYONE Big blind  200.00 300.00 1880.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
         
    swandolf Fold     
    mufchull Fold     
    barbraella Raise  400.00 700.00 2145.00
    jdsallstar All-in  1095.00 1795.00 0.00
    THORNYONE Fold     
    barbraella Call  795.00 2590.00 1350.00
    jdsallstar Show
    • J
    • J
       
    barbraella Show
    • J
    • 10
       
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 7
    • 2
         
    Turn
       
    • 4
         
    River
       
    • A
         
    barbraella Win Flush to the Ace 2590.00  3940.00
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    jdsallstar Small blind  100.00 100.00 1095.00
    THORNYONE Big blind  200.00 300.00 1880.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
         
    swandolf Fold     
    mufchull Fold     
    barbraella Raise  400.00 700.00 2145.00
    jdsallstar All-in  1095.00 1795.00 0.00
    THORNYONE Fold     
    barbraella Call  795.00 2590.00 1350.00
    jdsallstar Show
    • J
    • J
       
    barbraella Show
    • J
    • 10
       
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 7
    • 2
         
    Turn
       
    • 4
         
    River
       
    • A
         
    barbraella Win Flush to the Ace 2590.00  3940.00
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    edrich Small blind  150.00 150.00 1447.50
    KEV955 Big blind  300.00 450.00 2020.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    squeak13 All-in  2332.50 2782.50 0.00
    Clooty Fold     
    jdsallstar All-in  1870.00 4652.50 0.00
    edrich Fold     
    KEV955 Fold     
    squeak13 Unmatched bet  462.50 4190.00 462.50
    squeak13 Show
    • K
    • 7
       
    jdsallstar Show
    • K
    • K
       
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 4
    • A
         
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    River
       
    • 6
         
    squeak13 Win Straight to the 7 4190.00  4652.50
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    edrich Small blind  200.00 200.00 1475.00
    jdsallstar Big blind  400.00 600.00 2140.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
         
    fairbairn Fold     
    cfcterry Fold     
    lemonlegs Fold     
    edrich All-in  1475.00 2075.00 0.00
    jdsallstar Call  1275.00 3350.00 865.00
    edrich Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    jdsallstar Show
    • A
    • K
       
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 3
    • 8
         
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    River
       
    • 8
         
    edrich Win Two Pairs, 8s and 3s 1675.00  1675.00
    jdsallstar Win Two Pairs, 8s and 3s 1675.00  2540.00
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    edrich Small blind  150.00 150.00 1447.50
    KEV955 Big blind  300.00 450.00 2020.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    squeak13 All-in  2332.50 2782.50 0.00
    Clooty Fold     
    jdsallstar All-in  1870.00 4652.50 0.00
    edrich Fold     
    KEV955 Fold     
    squeak13 Unmatched bet  462.50 4190.00 462.50
    squeak13 Show
    • K
    • 7
       
    jdsallstar Show
    • K
    • K
       
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 4
    • A
         
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    River
       
    • 6
         
    squeak13 Win Straight to the 7 4190.00  4652.50
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    edrich Small blind  200.00 200.00 1475.00
    jdsallstar Big blind  400.00 600.00 2140.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
         
    fairbairn Fold     
    cfcterry Fold     
    lemonlegs Fold     
    edrich All-in  1475.00 2075.00 0.00
    jdsallstar Call  1275.00 3350.00 865.00
    edrich Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    jdsallstar Show
    • A
    • K
       
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 3
    • 8
         
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    River
       
    • 8
         
    edrich Win Two Pairs, 8s and 3s 1675.00  1675.00
    jdsallstar Win Two Pairs, 8s and 3s 1675.00
  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited October 2013
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    edrich Small blind  150.00 150.00 1447.50
    KEV955 Big blind  300.00 450.00 2020.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    squeak13 All-in  2332.50 2782.50 0.00
    Clooty Fold     
    jdsallstar All-in  1870.00 4652.50 0.00
    edrich Fold     
    KEV955 Fold     
    squeak13 Unmatched bet  462.50 4190.00 462.50
    squeak13 Show
    • K
    • 7
       
    jdsallstar Show
    • K
    • K
       
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 4
    • A
         
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    River
       
    • 6
         
    squeak13 Win Straight to the 7 4190.00  4652.50
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    edrich Small blind  200.00 200.00 1475.00
    jdsallstar Big blind  400.00 600.00 2140.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
         
    fairbairn Fold     
    cfcterry Fold     
    lemonlegs Fold     
    edrich All-in  1475.00 2075.00 0.00
    jdsallstar Call  1275.00 3350.00 865.00
    edrich Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    jdsallstar Show
    • A
    • K
       
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 3
    • 8
         
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    River
       
    • 8
         
    edrich Win Two Pairs, 8s and 3s 1675.00  1675.00
    jdsallstar Win Two Pairs, 8s and 3s 1675.00  2540.00
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    In Response to Re: WTF : I love your posts
    Posted by Jac35
    +1 :D
  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ Member Posts: 1,651
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    Thanks for the advice Craig lol.        Yes I was talking cash but sky wouldn't have different program's for s an g, mtt an cash so it would effect all formats anyway I don't believe there's anything funny going on I was just having a rant after another suc out but saying that as I said I've been playing on sky since the start and I'm seeing some crazy stuff like one outers on the river etc   too often for variance ..........
    Posted by UDirtyRAT
    You must of been running good if you have been here from the start(8 years)....if you have only just noticed a period of losing bad enough to get you posting after all these years?...
  • UDirtyRATUDirtyRAT Member Posts: 14
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    In Response to Re: WTF : You must of been running good if you have been here from the start(8 years)....if you have only just noticed a period of losing bad enough to get you posting after all these years?...
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    Not running as good as u davyzz -)
  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ Member Posts: 1,651
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    In Response to Re: WTF : Not running as good as u davyzz -)
    Posted by UDirtyRAT
    Well I'm in the same boat as you at the moment..can't seem to win a race or even when miles ahead when it matters :).
    But it will turn around,always does if you are playing right..gl
  • -ACERAG--ACERAG- Member Posts: 180
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    In Response to Re: WTF : Well I'm in the same boat as you at the moment..can't seem to win a race or even when miles ahead when it matters :). But it will turn around,always does if you are playing right..gl
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    Where's my violin !!!

    You limping too much DAVEYZZ, playing out of position, not knowing when to fold, will not lay your kings down on a flop wetter than a fishes wet bits ?
  • RUNGOODPLZRUNGOODPLZ Member Posts: 16
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    I have 1 question are you referring to the same type of hands like what most others seem to put in the BBV? if you are then what difference does the pot size make when sky has already got it's money from the entry fee of them MTT. all them chips do that are in the pot during hands is go to whoever wins that hand sky poker doesn't get anything from it at all their money is from the entry fee simple as that. if however it is cash tables well then most times you must be simply not holding a chip stack that is 100 BB or your just not charging them big simply make notes on them that they chase runner runner then if you see a heart on the turn and river which created that flush well you will know he could well hold the flush.
    Posted by craigcu12
    I don't think this site is rigged, however why do people keep saying "They have your entry fee blabla". Yeah they do however they could easily maximise profits by setting up action hands and getting the players knocked out faster so they buy in to another one.
  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    In Response to Re: WTF : I don't think this site is rigged, however why do people keep saying "They have your entry fee blabla". Yeah they do however they could easily maximise profits by setting up action hands and getting the players knocked out faster so they buy in to another one.
    Posted by RUNGOODPLZ
    If that was the case how do you explain the people who make consistent profits over 10's of thousands of games?

    There is no need to create "action hands" they happen all by themselves in poker - if it didn't it wouldn't make very good television!!
  • stoneface1stoneface1 Member Posts: 92
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    In Response to Re: WTF : I don't think this site is rigged, however why do people keep saying "They have your entry fee blabla". Yeah they do however they could easily maximise profits by setting up action hands and getting the players knocked out faster so they buy in to another one.
    Posted by RUNGOODPLZ
    What if thats happening across the board with software that is positive in hand production above probability and therefore creating excessive action as the norm?

  • stoneface1stoneface1 Member Posts: 92
    edited October 2013
    THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELS BACK! This by the way is standard and regular or variations of it and its just absolute bull**** to be honest. My last hand (ever) on this disreputable site, its a complete joke!!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    crazyjules Small blind   50.00 50.00 2570.00
    liz28 Big blind   100.00 150.00 1412.50
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • K
         
    140000 Raise   200.00 350.00 1450.00
    benmallia Call   200.00 550.00 5310.00
    edge215 Call   200.00 750.00 1030.00
    stoneface1 Call   200.00 950.00 3795.00
    crazyjules Fold        
    liz28 Call   100.00 1050.00 1312.50
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 8
    • 3
         
    liz28 All-in   1312.50 2362.50 0.00
    140000 All-in   1450.00 3812.50 0.00
    benmallia Call   1450.00 5262.50 3860.00
    edge215 Fold        
    stoneface1 All-in   3795.00 9057.50 0.00
    benmallia Call   2345.00 11402.50 1515.00
    liz28 Show
    • 9
    • 2
         
    140000 Show
    • A
    • A
         
    benmallia Show
    • A
    • 6
         
    stoneface1 Show
    • Q
    • K
         
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    River
       
    • 7
         
    benmallia Win Flush to the Ace 11402.50   12917.50
  • xcvxcv Member Posts: 4
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    f you are then what difference does the pot size make when sky has already got it's money from the entry fee of them MTT. all them chips do that are in the pot during hands is go to whoever wins that hand sky poker doesn't get anything from it at all their money is from the entry fee simple as that. 
    Posted by craigcu12

    WRONG !!! Poker room is like small eco system (fishes/sharks thing),  Poker rooms dont want money to leave this eco system, so the best way of doing it - make sure that money  keep flowing between players (pay pay pay your rake). In other words they don't like if you win too much, because that means, that you will start cashing out . Second thing - if  bad player is loosing all the time, he's not gona play and not make any deposits(why, if he can't win ?). So poker rooms try to keep balance - helping bad players to win some money, which they can loose later on a same room . Money flow from player to player makes sure that players will not stop playing and paying rake. Of course if you good and have a good BM - you can still be up after all those bad beats 
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    In Response to Re: WTF : WRONG !!! Poker room is like small eco system (fishes/sharks thing),  Poker rooms dont want money to leave this eco system, so the best way of doing it - make sure that money  keep flowing between players (pay pay pay your rake). In other words they don't like if you win too much, because that means, that you will start cashing out . Second thing - if  bad player is loosing all the time, he's not gona play and not make any deposits(why, if he can't win ?). So poker rooms try to keep balance - helping bad players to win some money, which they can loose later on a same room . Money flow from player to player makes sure that players will not stop playing and paying rake. Of course if you good and have a good BM - you can still be up after all those bad beats 
    Posted by xcv
    Lord, Give me strength in these trying times
  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: WTF:
    In Response to Re: WTF : WRONG !!! Poker room is like small eco system (fishes/sharks thing),  Poker rooms dont want money to leave this eco system, so the best way of doing it - make sure that money  keep flowing between players (pay pay pay your rake). In other words they don't like if you win too much, because that means, that you will start cashing out . Second thing - if  bad player is loosing all the time, he's not gona play and not make any deposits(why, if he can't win ?). So poker rooms try to keep balance - helping bad players to win some money, which they can loose later on a same room . Money flow from player to player makes sure that players will not stop playing and paying rake. Of course if you good and have a good BM - you can still be up after all those bad beats 
    Posted by xcv
    quick question how does the software recognise who the good and bad players are to give these predetermined beats and wins?


  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited October 2013
    Luckily for poker rooms the skill factor of poker naturally rewards the good players, and the inherent variance naturally allows players of all ability to win sometimes. So no input required. Innit.

    Cheers, 
    TEDDY
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