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Have I just become a loosing player overnight????

K8LOUK8LOU Member Posts: 630
edited October 2013 in Poker Chat
Hi all, I have recently been staked on another site and I have to say its been awful, Iv had 2 or 3 decent results but im grinding crazy hours I really dont think I am playing to bad apart from 2 or 3 sessions were I have just became a tilt monster due to run bad. I cant put my finger on what I am doing wrong, Im going over hand histories constantly and I can honestly say in my opinion I am playing pretty well, my confidence has hit an all time low and I am debating giving up the game because it has become sooo demorilising, Im not sure if certain factors such as I am used to playing 6max come into it, over there the fields are sooooooooooo much bigger than sky. Is it possible to become a loosing player overnight ??? my graph apart from 3 results is dire !!! How do i get my confidence back ????
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Have I just become a loosing player overnight????:
    Hi all, I have recently been staked on another site and I have to say its been awful, Iv had 2 or 3 decent results but im grinding crazy hours I really dont think I am playing to bad apart from 2 or 3 sessions were I have just became a tilt monster due to run bad. I cant put my finger on what I am doing wrong, Im going over hand histories constantly and I can honestly say in my opinion I am playing pretty well, my confidence has hit an all time low and I am debating giving up the game because it has become sooo demorilising, Im not sure if certain factors such as I am used to playing 6max come into it, over there the fields are sooooooooooo much bigger than sky. Is it possible to become a loosing player overnight ??? my graph apart from 3 results is dire !!! How do i get my confidence back ????
    Posted by K8LOU
    come back to sky!

    bigger field sizes will mean variance hits harder
    9/10 max changes board dynamics, makes position even more relevant (ie you now have utg-1 utg-2 etc compared to a 6max) etc etc

    so best to do your grinding here while learning how to play there
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,848
    edited October 2013

    Bigger fields = bigger variance.

    It's that simple, K8.

     
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited October 2013
    The V word or you were always a break even/losing player on a heater :)
  • FlyingDaggFlyingDagg Member Posts: 4,146
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Have I just become a loosing player overnight????:
    Hi all, I have recently been staked on another site and I have to say its been awful, Iv had 2 or 3 decent results but im grinding crazy hours I really dont think I am playing to bad apart from 2 or 3 sessions were I have just became a tilt monster due to run bad. I cant put my finger on what I am doing wrong, Im going over hand histories constantly and I can honestly say in my opinion I am playing pretty well, my confidence has hit an all time low and I am debating giving up the game because it has become sooo demorilising, Im not sure if certain factors such as I am used to playing 6max come into it, over there the fields are sooooooooooo much bigger than sky. Is it possible to become a loosing player overnight ??? my graph apart from 3 results is dire !!! How do i get my confidence back ????
    Posted by K8LOU
    It sounds like the responsibilty of being staked is too much for you. Are you getting feedback on your HH from the stakers? Sky is one of the softer sites so maybe it gives us a false impression of our abilities and playing in bigger tourneys with better opposition is a bit of a wake up call. Get back to Sky on the 6 max tables and get the fun back into your poker.
  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited October 2013
    No, you haven't, it sounds like a standard MTT downswing to me.

    The much bigger fields on the other site offer much bigger binks, however they also mean much bigger gaps between those binks. On a site with very large fields it will take a far bigger sample to get close to your long-term expected ROI than it would here on Sky. Hence your bankroll needs to be much deeper. For a juicy score you need to make a final table, even if there are thousands of entrants.

    I'm a losing player on PS. I know I'd be a winner there in the long run, but I haven't played nearly enough games to get anywhere close to the long run.

    Bounty Hunter tournaments on Sky are about the lowest variance MTTs you'll find anywhere online due to the super flat pay-out structure and relatively small fields.

    Good luck.
  • DivsDreamsDivsDreams Member Posts: 301
    edited October 2013

    Hi m8. Yeh Tikay says it all, TBH. Gary and Daggs post correct aswell. I would say I was
    a decent MTT player and took me a while to get a few good cashes on PS.
    On Sky less players, and obv 6 max might suit your game better, takes while to adapt to 9 at a table. Good luck m8, Guys might be right if your winning on Sky get back... Play odd biggy on other sites, But make Sky ure main site.

  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited October 2013
    could be wrong here but to me it looks a bit like you are putting to much pressure on yourself to win because you are being staked, i no its hard but dont expect to cash before you play just play your A game and the results will come if you are any good. its like when someone goes out on the drink desperate to pull it bird, it usually never happens, things come when you dont expect them.
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited October 2013
    Rancid makes a fair point; variance can benefit us as well as hurt us, so your previous good results may have been exaggerating your sense of your own performances. I don't know that, of course, but people tend to attribute their wins to good play and their losses to variance.

    Another issue that's common is people reviewing their hand histories in a vacuum. You see it all the time in the clinic: People post their hand and offer no information on their opponents, just asking "What do you think of this play?" We can't really judge whether a play was good in a vacuum, we can only hypothesise circumstances in which it would be good and circumstances in which it would not be good.

    So when reviewing your own hand histories, make sure you're thinking about whether this play was good against this particular opponent, in these particular circumstances. If you don't know much about the opponent you're playing against, ask yourself why you don't know more. If you have only just joined a the table with this player, would it have been better to take a more ABC approach, etc. etc...


    Of course it may be that you're playing well and just not having a good run. It is important to reflect on our results as a whole, though, because our losses are just as indicative of our ability as our victories.
  • RyanC7RyanC7 Member Posts: 355
    edited October 2013
    Glad I didn't make the same mistake you did. My advice: pay your make-up and leave, you don't need that stress of running up huge make-ups just for the sake of a 60% keep of profit. The fields are also tougher on stars to sky. That company should just change their name to wonga2.com
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2013
    Bigger fields. 

    I would like to share my personal experiances in my ability to help here. On sky Feilds you'll normally experiance are 30-300. Slightly bigger for some mains etc. 

    On say stars for example, not including capped mtts your feilds are probably closer to 3000-10000 runners. 

    Usually an mtt pays out around 10-15% of the field, depending on circumstances. Lets say that all pay 10% for easiness. So now on sky you need to out last 270 people for a cash, 299 for a win. on stars you have to out last so many more. 

    Now I'm not saying its purely down to field sizes, but that means more all in situations, which means more flips, more times you have to hold or get there. All this makes it much much harder to win an mtt, or even cash, and min cashing in some mtts just isn't worth your time. 


    I wish you all the best. 
  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited October 2013
    move to 180 90 Sng to reduce to variance- also being a winning player on sky poker does not mean your a winning player on any other site- the standard of play can be alot higher but that may be a good thing as it can improve your own game- 

    how are you reveiwing your session- spending a few mintues looking at HH doesnt solve much you have to really work hard on and off the tables-
    GL with it
  • K8LOUK8LOU Member Posts: 630
    edited October 2013
    Cheers for the input all, all valid points but I deffo agree with dagg and I think I my game may needs a total overhaul if I am going to continue to play over there, Its a totally different game over there but im sure in the end it will improve me as a player, for 1 the standard is much better, 2 the fields in the mtts are sooooo much bigger, I spoke to 1 of the lads the other day and he reckons I should be at least min cashing 1 in 3 of the bigger fields !! this sounds absolutly ludacris to me, I dont think most of the pros would be able to acheive this, another thing is I think im doing myself any favour because I am putting loads of pressure on myself I think you have it spot on rock, I think this may be affecting my decision making, totally agree dohhhhh its soooo harddd but its not impossible to get that big bink !! iv been deep in a number of the big buy ins over there and if won a flip ere or a flip there a would of been in a position to mount a serious challange to bink the tourney. As Daiw knows full well he won the 109 rebuy last week for 15k so i think it is deffo doable, just need that but of run good..
  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Have I just become a loosing player overnight????:
    Glad I didn't make the same mistake you did. My advice: pay your make-up and leave, you don't need that stress of running up huge make-ups just for the sake of a 60% keep of profit. The fields are also tougher on stars to sky. That company should just change their name to wonga2.com
    Posted by RyanC7
    I dont understand this make-up. Is it risk free for the stakers? A staked player does all the work, has to pay back all his losses and keeps only a percentagen of his winnings?


    Cheers, 
    TEDDY
  • K8LOUK8LOU Member Posts: 630
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Have I just become a loosing player overnight????:
    move to 180 90 Sng to reduce to variance- also being a winning player on sky poker does not mean your a winning player on any other site- the standard of play can be alot higher but that may be a good thing as it can improve your own game-  how are you reveiwing your session- spending a few mintues looking at HH doesnt solve much you have to really work hard on and off the tables- GL with it
    Posted by LnarinOO

    Yehhh time needs to be spent on it mate, I use holdemmanager mate, it has a thing called leak buster on it hoping this will give me an extra 10 percent at the tables..

  • FlyingDaggFlyingDagg Member Posts: 4,146
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Have I just become a loosing player overnight????:
    Cheers for the input all, all valid points but I deffo agree with dagg and I think I my game may needs a total overhaul if I am going to continue to play over there, Its a totally different game over there but im sure in the end it will improve me as a player, for 1 the standard is much better, 2 the fields in the mtts are sooooo much bigger, I spoke to 1 of the lads the other day and he reckons I should be at least min cashing 1 in 3 of the bigger fields !! this sounds absolutly ludacris to me, I dont think most of the pros would be able to acheive this, another thing is I think im doing myself any favour because I am putting loads of pressure on myself I think you have it spot on rock, I think this may be affecting my decision making, totally agree dohhhhh its soooo harddd but its not impossible to get that big bink !! iv been deep in a number of the big buy ins over there and if won a flip ere or a flip there a would of been in a position to mount a serious challange to bink the tourney. As Daiw knows full well he won the 109 rebuy last week for 15k so i think it is deffo doable, just need that but of run good..
    Posted by K8LOU
    A minor point but Daiw won 1500 not 15000 as he typed. ($ I assume)

    And mincashing in 2 out of 3? Sorry he's in cloud cuckoo land.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,848
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Have I just become a loosing player overnight????:
    Cheers for the input all, all valid points but I deffo agree with dagg and I think I my game may needs a total overhaul if I am going to continue to play over there, Its a totally different game over there but im sure in the end it will improve me as a player, for 1 the standard is much better, 2 the fields in the mtts are sooooo much bigger, I spoke to 1 of the lads the other day and he reckons I should be at least min cashing 1 in 3 of the bigger fields !! this sounds absolutly ludacris to me, I dont think most of the pros would be able to acheive this, another thing is I think im doing myself any favour because I am putting loads of pressure on myself I think you have it spot on rock, I think this may be affecting my decision making, totally agree dohhhhh its soooo harddd but its not impossible to get that big bink !! iv been deep in a number of the big buy ins over there and if won a flip ere or a flip there a would of been in a position to mount a serious challange to bink the tourney. As Daiw knows full well he won the 109 rebuy last week for 15k so i think it is deffo doable, just need that but of run good..
    Posted by K8LOU
    The best players in the world, assuming reasonable sample size, can't achieve anything approaching that.

    Ask your mate to provide you with the evidence. He can't, & wont.

    Really surprised you bought that tale, to be honest. You must know that is not realistically possible?
  • a00rocka00rock Member Posts: 832
    edited October 2013
    To be fair K8 has been playing on Sky as well presumably with his own bankroll.
  • K8LOUK8LOU Member Posts: 630
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Have I just become a loosing player overnight????:
    In Response to Re: Have I just become a loosing player overnight???? : The best players in the world, assuming reasonable sample size, can't achieve anything approaching that. Ask your mate to provide you with the evidence. He can't, & wont. Really surprised you bought that tale, to be honest. You must know that is not realistically possible?
    Posted by Tikay10

    Yeh ino mate, just sets a few doubts in the back of my head cos im lucky to cash in 10 !!!!! ha
  • K8LOUK8LOU Member Posts: 630
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Have I just become a loosing player overnight????:
    come back to sky its the softest site going i went on a diff site and i had a bad 3 months on there then come bk to sky n win go figure 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU

    Yeh Im still on ere mate just not playing half as much volume, Im not saying i want to play with better players but playing with better players helps improve you as a player.

  • day4eire76day4eire76 Member Posts: 912
    edited October 2013
    Sorry to hear its not going well.
    Just a couple of things what games are you playing and are you multi tabling.
    The 180 and 90 sngs are good games and on average the 180 ones are over within 2hours.
    The staking thing as mentioned I think you should rethink.
    My reason for this is, if they say play the big mtts how would you feel if you binked and had to hand over that cash.
    The big mtts are soo top heavy.
    I played one on Saturday and came 14th out of 15000 runners.
    The difference between 14th and 1st was over 18k.
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