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THIS IS MAD!

peter27peter27 Member Posts: 1,634
edited October 2013 in The Poker Clinic
I had top pair on the flop but folded purely because I figured someone would have a J with better kicker, or two pair, or the straight - no question really, but this hand is mad!

It was a six-max speed game.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Aylee Small blind   15.00 15.00 1192.50
mikkidee Big blind   30.00 45.00 1687.50
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • Q
     
CrazyLew Raise   60.00 105.00 1440.00
lighthead Call   60.00 165.00 1440.00
darthpaul Call   60.00 225.00 1185.00
peter27 Call   60.00 285.00 1770.00
Aylee Call   45.00 330.00 1147.50
mikkidee Raise   120.00 450.00 1567.50
CrazyLew Call   90.00 540.00 1350.00
lighthead Call   90.00 630.00 1350.00
darthpaul Call   90.00 720.00 1095.00
peter27 Call   90.00 810.00 1680.00
Aylee Call   90.00 900.00 1057.50
Flop
   
  • J
  • 7
  • 9
     
Aylee Check        
mikkidee Bet   360.00 1260.00 1207.50
CrazyLew Call   360.00 1620.00 990.00
lighthead Call   360.00 1980.00 990.00
darthpaul Call   360.00 2340.00 735.00
peter27 Fold        
Aylee Call   360.00 2700.00 697.50
Turn
   
  • 6
     
Aylee Check        
mikkidee Check        
CrazyLew Bet   330.00 3030.00 660.00
lighthead Call   330.00 3360.00 660.00
darthpaul Call   330.00 3690.00 405.00
Aylee Call   330.00 4020.00 367.50
mikkidee All-in   1207.50 5227.50 0.00
CrazyLew All-in   660.00 5887.50 0.00
lighthead All-in   660.00 6547.50 0.00
darthpaul All-in   405.00 6952.50 0.00
Aylee All-in   367.50 7320.00 0.00
mikkidee Unmatched bet   217.50 7102.50 217.50
Aylee Show
  • Q
  • 10
     
mikkidee Show
  • Q
  • K
     
CrazyLew Show
  • A
  • J
     
lighthead Show
  • K
  • 9
     
darthpaul Show
  • 9
  • K
     
River
   
  • 6
     
CrazyLew Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 6s 7102.50   7102.50

Comments

  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited October 2013
    brilliant stuff lol sit back and rub your hands together!

    lol the two k9 callers were a little speculative!!
  • DrRunGoodDrRunGood Member Posts: 436
    edited October 2013
    speed games at their best ;)
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,458
    edited October 2013
    4th hand in a DYM last night.
    Game was over 2 hands later
    Didn't get to end of level 1 :-)))
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    VespaPX Small blind   10.00 10.00 1970.00
    stighat1 Big blind   20.00 30.00 1960.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    JARON Call   20.00 50.00 1880.00
    harvey0353 Call   20.00 70.00 1050.00
    EMMA92 Fold        
    SPARTASC Call   20.00 90.00 1950.00
    VespaPX Raise   90.00 180.00 1880.00
    stighat1 Call   80.00 260.00 1880.00
    JARON Call   80.00 340.00 1800.00
    harvey0353 Call   80.00 420.00 970.00
    SPARTASC Call   80.00 500.00 1870.00
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 10
    • 2
         
    VespaPX Bet   500.00 1000.00 1380.00
    stighat1 Call   500.00 1500.00 1380.00
    JARON Call   500.00 2000.00 1300.00
    harvey0353 Fold        
    SPARTASC Fold        
    Turn
       
    • 4
         
    VespaPX All-in   1380.00 3380.00 0.00
    stighat1 All-in   1380.00 4760.00 0.00
    JARON All-in   1300.00 6060.00 0.00
    VespaPX Show
    • A
    • A
         
    stighat1 Show
    • J
    • J
         
    JARON Show
    • K
    • 10
         
    River
       
    • 9
         
    VespaPX Win Pair of Aces 6060.00   6060.00
  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,962
    edited October 2013
    something I have learned when playing DYM
    don't bother calling an all in even with good hands because some just can't stop button clicking the min bet
    Jacksn_5 Small blind  75.00 75.00 5480.00
    nadine566 Big blind  150.00 225.00 400.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
         
    breamchamp Fold     
    craigcu12 Raise  600.00 825.00 1505.00
    shane360 All-in  965.00 1790.00 0.00
    Jacksn_5 Call  890.00 2680.00 4590.00
    nadine566 Fold     
    craigcu12 Call  365.00 3045.00 1140.00
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • A
    • J
         
    Jacksn_5 Bet  150.00 3195.00 4440.00
    craigcu12 Call  150.00 3345.00 990.00
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    Jacksn_5 Bet  150.00 3495.00 4290.00
    craigcu12 Call  150.00 3645.00 840.00
    River
       
    • K
         
    Jacksn_5 Bet  150.00 3795.00 4140.00
    craigcu12 Call  150.00 3945.00 690.00
    shane360 Show
    • K
    • 10
       
    Jacksn_5 Show
    • K
    • K
       
    craigcu12 Muck
    • J
    • J
       
    Jacksn_5 Win Three Kings 3945.00  8085.00
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited October 2013
    Don't 4x any hand with these stack sizes. We should be getting it in on the flop imo, DYM or not.
  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,962
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: THIS IS MAD!:
    Don't 4x any hand with these stack sizes. We should be getting it in on the flop imo, DYM or not.
    Posted by Lambert180
    i understand the mistake with the 4x that i did preflop, what i was thinking is if i min raised they would just call but what i should have been thinking is if the short stack still decided to do the shove and the person with the large stack decided to call then i would not have wasted so many chips and could just fold preflop or just fold preflop rather than do any raise.
  • peter27peter27 Member Posts: 1,634
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: THIS IS MAD!:
    Don't 4x any hand with these stack sizes. We should be getting it in on the flop imo, DYM or not.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Agree with not 4x'ing. I either 2x or 3x depending on the notes I have on the other player and the blind levels.

    Not sure about getting it in on the flop TBH. There is a lot of play to be had with 1000 chips really, especially at the early levels.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited October 2013
    @Peter, Craig's hand isn't the early stages though, this is vvvv easy get it in imo. It's 75/150 and on the flop he has less than 8xBB and MIDDLE SET. If anything, even more so in a DYM, we wanna lock up the big pot now if villian doesn't wanna gamble with a FD etc. because taking it down now probably guarantees us a seat with nadine on 400 chips (and the all-in player almost certainly beat). You're gonna feel pretty stupid when you're just sat there letting him bet 150 into 3000, didn't raise with your set and then he shows you 2 spades (or 1 by the river).

    As an aisde, villian might even fold KK in this spot as he doesn't need to take any risks and we should never be bluffing with our stack size, and the ace is out there, he's obviously not confident in his hand or he wouldn't minbet 3 streets. Now we don't want people to fold when they have 2 outs to catch up but just saying :p

    The funny thing is.... on the flop KK has a 5% chance of hitting another King on the turn, and if he misses, 5% chance again of hitting a King on the river. And he's bet 150 into 3000 which is 5% of the pot!! So we're actually letting him draw to a 2outer with the correct price!! Not good lol.

    @Craig, the that's a flaw in your thinking. If you just minraise, someone will call... even though it's a DYM that's good. We have the 4th best possible starting hand and almost certainly have them crushed, why would we not want them to call? All we do is put ourselves in a situation where people think you have a strong hand and are never folding so you probably make them fold everything like AJ etc and get action from QQ+ and maybe AK.

    Also we don't need to be minraise/folding JJ with these stacks, I know everyone is obsessed with being an enormous nit in DYMs but you can take it too far. Obviously if the person that reships is VERY VERY tight, then raise/calling probably isnt great but with how short Shane is, we just gotta call it off imo.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    In the JJ hand I would be minraising pre with 2 short stacks at the table, we want one of them all-in or pot committed pre-flop.

    As played the post flop play is very annoying, but it does seem to happen a lot, with a lack of understanding of DYM strategy from the large stack. With the opportunity to bust out 1 shortie and another even shorter stack at the table standard play would be for you both to check down to showdown unless one of you has "the goods" to guarantee taking out shortie.

    The min bet lead out from BB is a terrible play. I would just shove over the top - The only hand the BB should then call you with is AA given the state of the game.



  • peter27peter27 Member Posts: 1,634
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: THIS IS MAD!:
    @Peter, Craig's hand isn't the early stages though, this is vvvv easy get it in imo. It's 75/150 and on the flop he has less than 8xBB and MIDDLE SET. If anything, even more so in a DYM, we wanna lock up the big pot now if villian doesn't wanna gamble with a FD etc. because taking it down now probably guarantees us a seat with nadine on 400 chips (and the all-in player almost certainly beat). You're gonna feel pretty stupid when you're just sat there letting him bet 150 into 3000, didn't raise with your set and then he shows you 2 spades (or 1 by the river). As an aisde, villian might even fold KK in this spot as he doesn't need to take any risks and we should never be bluffing with our stack size, and the ace is out there, he's obviously not confident in his hand or he wouldn't minbet 3 streets. Now we don't want people to fold when they have 2 outs to catch up but just saying :p The funny thing is.... on the flop KK has a 5% chance of hitting another King on the turn, and if he misses, 5% chance again of hitting a King on the river. And he's bet 150 into 3000 which is 5% of the pot!! So we're actually letting him draw to a 2outer with the correct price!! Not good lol.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Fair point about it not being early stages, I missed that. Although I do have a lot of experience with DYM's now and I do feel like it is okay to go as low as 4-5 BB before shoving as you're trying to reach the top three, not win.
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