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mrdavies | Small blind | 15.00 | 15.00 | 3060.00 | |
matisback | Big blind | 30.00 | 45.00 | 4170.00 | |
Your hole cards |
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RANGERSCHA | Fold | ||||
robbo343 | Raise | 60.00 | 105.00 | 2090.00 | |
SoLack | Raise | 90.00 | 195.00 | 2590.00 | |
mrdavies | Call | 75.00 | 270.00 | 2985.00 | |
matisback | Fold | ||||
robbo343 | Call | 30.00 | 300.00 | 2060.00 | |
Flop | |||||
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mrdavies | Check | ||||
robbo343 | Check | ||||
SoLack | Bet | 225.00 | 525.00 | 2365.00 | |
mrdavies | Raise | 630.00 | 1155.00 | 2355.00 | |
robbo343 | Fold | ||||
SoLack | All-in | 2365.00 | 3520.00 | 0.00 | |
mrdavies | All-in | 2355.00 | 5875.00 | 0.00 | |
mrdavies | Unmatched bet | 395.00 | 5480.00 | 395.00 | |
mrdavies | Show |
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SoLack | Show |
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Turn | |||||
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River | |||||
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SoLack | Win | Pair of Kings | 5480.00 | 5480.00 |
Comments
See I would always check raise here like OP. Mainly to charge anybody on draws but happy to show strength and take the pot there and then as there are a ton of scary turn cards for us to navigate oop.
If you're flatting the flop what is your plan for turn and river?
Check & call turn, check & call river? (assuming villain uses normal bet sizing)
If the turn goes check check are we leading out on the river?
FWIW, I'd 4bet too, it's only been a minraise and a click3bet, so not showing big strength really and we had a very strong hand... would be showing massive strength to do this silly size raise and then 5bet, then it would be an easy fold.
We can't be 4-betting for value and I'm not sure there is merit in turning AQ into a bluff here when the 3-bet is so small - there just isn't enough dead money in the pot to merit trying to bluff here. Also the hands that he might fold to a 4-bet plus further aggression aren't hands he would be 3-betting this small with. ie. 99-JJ/QQ? Min 3bets are often either really strong (AA/KK) or weaker hands that just want to take the initiative. If his 3-bet was to a normal size then 4-betting might be more of an option.
I think calling pre (given how small it is) is OK if you're prepared to fold strong hands post flop to heavy aggression. I would definitely just be flatting flop and evaluating turn. Raising for value is too thin. Once we've raised I think we have to get away from our hand. I don't see him shoving anything worse for value except maybe AQ as well. And if he has a draw it's going to be a super strong one (ie. flush + SD) with good equity.
Assuming we check and he barrels again and it's:
a) a scare card?
b) a blank?
Flat the blank fold the scare or fold both?!
*Scare cards - /> A - 2 spades, all kings/jacks/tens/9's/6's. 7's and 8's to a lessor extent.
If he checks the turn as well I'm assuming we check most rivers as well (apart from when non spade ace, queen hits or if it runs out blank blank)
This 3-bet sizing is virtually never going to be a bluff. It's almost always going to be nutted, and a nutted range crushes our AQ. That makes folding our AQ the best option, out of position..
If you don't believe that this 3-bet is likely to be nutted, then calling is overwhelmingly the best option. We keep both villains' ranges wide. We don't want to 4-bet and either be forced to fold to a 5-bet or play a flop, out of position, against someone who has flatted a pre-flop cold-4-bet with 100BBeff stacks. How often does a c-bet really get through against the range of either player for flatting that 4-bet?
On the flop, check-calling is best. The villain can be betting with worse than our hand but only continues with better hands than ours if we check-raise. Also, we have to ask how likely is it that the villain has 3-bet the button with hands that can be drawing on this board. We can put perhaps 9sTs or certainly AsKs in his range but they only make up a small portion of his range. So the hands he continues with to our check-raise are overwhelmingly better hands and hands with great equity. If he folds, we're just forcing him to fold hands we beat.
If we check-call, we're doing so intending to reassess future streets. Someone mentioned that the As would be a bad card for us on the turn or river. It would actually be a brilliant card. We hold the Qs and we would then know that the As was not in the villain's range. So which hands is he 3-betting pre-flop and betting this flop with, that can contain two spades but not the As?
We can't be afraid to give up TPTK if we think that the villain is only barrelling better hands. We have to decide on each street what we think the chances are of being good. Our plan is to call here and narrow villain's range down on later streets. If villain keeps betting on turn and river, how likely is it to be a bluff given the action?
Vs a random/unknown, I may still 4bet AQ here, just to clarify.