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Q10 IP low board
craigcu12
Member Posts: 3,962
i didn't have much reads on the villain at the time of this hand but i must admit i was a bit unconfident with how to progress my hand through these streets.
On the river i was questioning weather or not a bluff could be worthy knowing that the villain could be just as likely holding a weak hand and thinking i have over cards.
When the flop was low cards it was probably easy for the villain to put me on broad way hands just as often as over pairs so i think his calling range would be wide.
If my hand was AK-AJ i could still see the flop being worthy of a cbet as would still be ahead of the villians unpaired hands.
With this hand being Q10s i still have Kx and Ax ahead of me so am wondering if i should have just checked this flop?
On the river i was questioning weather or not a bluff could be worthy knowing that the villain could be just as likely holding a weak hand and thinking i have over cards.
When the flop was low cards it was probably easy for the villain to put me on broad way hands just as often as over pairs so i think his calling range would be wide.
If my hand was AK-AJ i could still see the flop being worthy of a cbet as would still be ahead of the villians unpaired hands.
With this hand being Q10s i still have Kx and Ax ahead of me so am wondering if i should have just checked this flop?
| forssell | Small blind | 30.00 | 30.00 | 1820.00 | |
| pokerpenny | Big blind | 60.00 | 90.00 | 4440.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| jakally | Fold | ||||
| craigcu12 | Raise | 120.00 | 210.00 | 3135.00 | |
| Lord_Marco | Fold | ||||
| nemo8967 | Fold | ||||
| forssell | Fold | ||||
| pokerpenny | Call | 60.00 | 270.00 | 4380.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| pokerpenny | Check | ||||
| craigcu12 | Bet | 120.00 | 390.00 | 3015.00 | |
| pokerpenny | Call | 120.00 | 510.00 | 4260.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| pokerpenny | Check | ||||
| craigcu12 | Bet | 382.50 | 892.50 | 2632.50 | |
| pokerpenny | Call | 382.50 | 1275.00 | 3877.50 | |
| River | |||||
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| pokerpenny | Check | ||||
| craigcu12 | |||||
Comments
Bet bigger on the flop.
Probably give up on turn, definitely just give up on river.
As a point to start you off, allow me to make counter arguments:
i) We can be called by lots of weaker one-pair and drawing hands on this flop.
ii) We don't want to give the villain a chance to see a free card, either reducing his own equity, therefore being less likely to call a bet, or actually improving to beat us.
iii) There are lots of cards that villain can rep after we've shown weakness on the flop. If the turn's an overcard we're not completely happy with bluff-catching, but we're even less happy with most of the possible undercards.
iv) If we don't bet the flop we miss a street of value from draws and from one-pair hands.
v) We know the villain is extremely unlikely to be holding a better pocket pair, having not 3-bet pre-flop.
Betting the flop is fine and I think the sizing is good. On this flop the villain's probably calling 160 as often as 120, so why not make it 120?
Definitely don't like betting the turn, though. This is a terrible card to represent because there are virtually no 8's in your range. You're likely to be called on this turn by just about the same range that called you on the flop. We're only really repping overpairs when we bet here. It would be nice to know that the villain could fold small pairs and isn't going to station us down, however I think it's probably best to just give up the bluff on this turn against most opponents. We're going to be called too often.
The river is a definite check-back. It's really tough for us to rep a straight or flush and would we really value bet an overpair here?
If we bet, we're only really trying to get him to fold his A6 type hands. There aren't enough of those in his range to bluff profitably, in my opinion.
would they likely be raising hands such as AK-AJ and KQ KJs preflop.
those were the hands that are the reason for me bet on the turn, I thought if he has over cards including K or A maybe the turn is one street too many as he would still not be assured of going ahead even if he did hit.
The size of the blinds are irrelevant as to our opening size pre, it's all about stack sizes. Blinds could be 5000/10,000 but if everyone still has 100xBB+ then we should still be 3x'ing.
I'd start minraising when my stack (or the stacks I'm playing against) drop to about 40xBB or less. 40-50xBB stacks and I'm probably starting to do something like 2.5x
Yes I fully understand the reasons for betting. However, vs a certain villain, I may check back a hand as strong as 1010, just as I may check back an AK,AQ type hand. Balance innit.
If I feel villain is just gonna check fold most of their range, I may check behind for deception. This gives certain villains misplaced confidence that their second/third pair can sometimes be good (whereas they often fold to a 2nd barrel) and means we get value on later streets. Or if they flop something like TPGK then we can call them down pretty confidently or even raise it up for value.
It also offers villain the chance to rep any high turn/river card. Sometimes, they might have it, fair enough. But we can use our positional advantage to determine what is the best course of action for our hand.
I had a similar hand last night in an MTT. Raised 66 and got 2 callers in the blinds. Q 7 3 flop, I checked in position. 3 on turn and BB leads out, I call. river is a 4 and he leads again, I call again and he tables 9 high and I take the pot. Slightly different circumstances to an overpair granted, but another way of getting value for our hand without following the 'raise c/bet' formula.
I agree that we can occasionally check back some of our overpairs on this flop, if we think the villain is going to start bluffing his two overs or can't hold many low connector hands, but I don't think I'd be checking back lower than KK. With TT, virtually every card is bad for us on the turn.
The trouble with comparing TT on this board with 66 on a Q73 board is that, with the 6, if we bet we can't be called by many worse hands so betting would be bluffing. With TT on this 364 flop, we can be called by lots of weaker one-pair hands or draws and we know that it's unlikely that the villain has a better pocket pair than us. So we'd definitely be value-betting this spot.
Nice hand! I would over bet the river here, or just shove, where as shoving looks a bit bluffy, bet 1425, and they are struggling to call unless they are super strong which it doesn't look like.
I love the agression and we can't just give up on the turn when we have a plan. If we were going 2 3 barrell bluff, bet big here on the river.
What i said above, most opponents can't call unless they are really strong.
Definatly have to bet the river to win, shoving is over kill, simply overbet the pot, if we are sure they can't call.
what really put me off an attempted bluff on the river was could he maybe have 55 I couldn't figure out why else he would call both streets when the cards are low and he is OOP.
over pairs i'm thinking would go for a raise OTF
sets might call the flop but the turn is probably a call too many and as for over cards well them are throwing chips away