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How would you play this?
peter27
Member Posts: 1,634
Was a Six-Max (Speed) tournament.
Probably could not have got more value considering what he raised with at the end, but do not think I played optimally either. I was worried about a higher flush to be honest. I'm expecting you guys to say my pre-flop call was pretty loose, and I agree completely. As played pre-flop though, what would you do?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| P1ranha | Small blind | 50.00 | 50.00 | 4885.00 | |
| peter27 | Big blind | 100.00 | 150.00 | 1670.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| dcj392 | Fold | ||||
| steel08 | Call | 100.00 | 250.00 | 1735.00 | |
| P1ranha | Raise | 150.00 | 400.00 | 4735.00 | |
| peter27 | Call | 100.00 | 500.00 | 1570.00 | |
| steel08 | Call | 100.00 | 600.00 | 1635.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| P1ranha | Check | ||||
| peter27 | Check | ||||
| steel08 | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| P1ranha | Check | ||||
| peter27 | Check | ||||
| steel08 | Bet | 200.00 | 800.00 | 1435.00 | |
| P1ranha | Fold | ||||
| peter27 | Call | 200.00 | 1000.00 | 1370.00 | |
| River | |||||
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| peter27 | Check | ||||
| steel08 | Bet | 300.00 | 1300.00 | 1135.00 | |
| peter27 | Call | 300.00 | 1600.00 | 1070.00 | |
| steel08 | Show |
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| peter27 | Show |
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| peter27 | Win | Flush to the Queen | 1600.00 | 2670.00 | |
Comments
post don't think you are getting any more value out of anyone with 4 card flush on board. With such a low flush you are practically playing a bluff catching hand.
As played don't think u can do much different. I'd consider folding the turn/river if he hadn't made it so cheap, our hand is really weak relative to the board. As Phantom says, we basically only have a bluff catcher cos not many people are going to be valuebetting the 3 or 6 of diamonds expecting to get calls from worse.
As played...
I'd definitely fold the turn. We only beat a bluff but we're out of position and can expect to see another bet on the river a lot of the time. What we're going to end up doing if we call the turn is to then fold to a river bet anyway. We're basically hoping that he doesn't bet on the river in what is a great bluffing spot once we've checked. That means that a lot of the time when he checks back the river he'll also have a marginal flush. Most of those which bet the turn are flushes that have us beat.
On the river, I suppose it's very player dependent. This bet size looks very likely to be a better hand than ours. In a vacuum, that's what I would say. So, even getting 4.3:1 I think we should probably fold. We're calling off a considerable chunk of our remaining stack and we're not beating any value hand.
I think we need to know specifically that this villain can be doing this, with a small bet on the turn and river as a bluff, for us to call. If we do think it's plausible as a bluff, then it's an easy call because of those pot odds.
As it happens, we had the best hand and made a winning call down. In the long-run, without specific reads that you haven't told us you have, I think it's a bad call down.
Note: My pre-flop call was because I had no decent cards for ages and felt like playing a speculative hand. Don't make a habit out of this, but I do feel it is nessessary on occasion, just to mix up how you're viewed at the table if anything.
Questions that will help you figure out how strong your hand is.....
1) Is the villain likely to be bluffing on this turn often, with this bet sizing, or always betting for value?
2) How many of the hands that he bets for value can we beat?
3) When the villain bets the river, this size, how likely is he to bluffing now he's bet 2 streets?
4) What hands does he bet small twice with on this board for value on turn and river?
5) Of those hands, how many can we beat?
Our hand here is nothing more than a bluff catcher particularly on the river.
We aren't ahead of many of his value hands at all unless we have reads that he bets really wide 'for thin value'.
The fact we have a flush is irrelevant really, we are only ever ahead if our opponent is bluffing.
So that's what we need to work out, is he bluffing enough for us to call profitably?
With that bet sizing, he probably is.
Always think about what hands your opponent is representing, and also what hands you think that your opponents think you have.
Poker is tough, too much to think about all at the same time
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