I would guess that the terms hero,villain, fish and donk etc. were defined quite a few years ago before the days of political correctness. As far as I know no one has yet tried to get these terms banned in the present climate so I think it's fair to assume that most poker players find them acceptable if used in their correct context. I can see nothing wrong with the term hero or villain but to call or be called a fish or a donk in the chatbox is rude though but to be honest I've had far worse things said to me and in this day and age there are far greater things to be bothered about.
In Response to Re: The term "villain" : You are not wrong, I'd be shown the door if I did. Because it is deemed to be rude, & being rude to Clients is unacceptable. Any 861 representative who ever said such a thing would be in a world of hurt, pdq. Think the point being missed is the difference between the spoken & written, word. It does not overly trouble me Online, though obviously I dislike it, but it is almost never said "face to face" in the real world. And with good reason, they would not dare, because it may well provoke a very unpleasant reaction. The difference between spoken & written, real world & Online, is an extraordinarily interesting thing for students of psychology. Interesting debate. Posted by tikay1
Having watched 861 for some time i can imagine how hard it must be to sugar coat things on some occassions. Can just imagine many of the experts of camera sitting there commentating on a hand thinking in their head thinking far worse things than they actually say.
As for the term villian. I've used it in live poker when discussing a hand afterwards with someone on the rail. Vllian is easier than pointing and saying "that guy there".
I think in terms of hand discussion the use of Villian is ideal. I just think the context in which others understand it is misunderstood.
Take it like a movie, we have our hero, the good guy. In that case its the person playing the hand. So us. Every hero has to have a villian right? The villian might have the best of intentions, but hes our little villian at present.
In Response to Re: The term "villain" : Having watched 861 for some time i can imagine how hard it must be to sugar coat things on some occassions. Can just imagine many of the experts of camera sitting there commentating on a hand thinking in their head thinking far worse things than they actually say. As for the term villian. I've used it in live poker when discussing a hand afterwards with someone on the rail. Vllian is easier than pointing and saying "that guy there". I think in terms of hand discussion the use of Villian is ideal. I just think the context in which others understand it is misunderstood. Take it like a movie, we have our hero, the good guy. In that case its the person playing the hand. So us. Every hero has to have a villian right? The villian might have the best of intentions, but hes our little villian at present. Posted by The_Don90
Yes, "villain" is absolutely fine, & we'd use it on 861, though I tend to use "Matey Boy" or "2-3 man" or whatever because I prefer to try & be more creative & a little different/better if possible, rather than just be fashionable.
To get back to the original post. Yeah, I suppose "villain" "opponent" whichever really doesn't matter one bit. Certainly not offensive in any way. Posted by Jac35
As the original poster I feel like I need to clarify that I wasn't stating the term is offensive or derogatory in any way. The depends on the context of the statement and the sensitivity of the player being called the villain. My point was purely that it sounds quite a harsh term for what at the end of the day is just a game. I guess I'm curious where this term came from - what was wrong with the word opponent and why did someone suddenly decide to call them a villain? Villain is definitely a more powerful and emotive word than opponent.
As most instances where villain is mentioned, result in the opponent rivering a miracle card, Perhaps you could change villain to:- mind reader/Superior player/YoYo lol
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All i will say on this is that after many years treading the boards that the villain is so much more fun to be than the hero.
"fish", "donk" & the like, of course, never.
In Response to Re: The term "villain": In Response to Re: The term "villain": As the original poster I feel like I need to clarify that I wasn't stating the term is offensive or derogatory in any way. The depends on the context of the statement and the sensitivity of the player being called the villain. My point was purely that it sounds quite a harsh term for what at the end of the day is just a game. I guess I'm curious where this term came from - what was wrong with the word opponent and why did someone suddenly decide to call them a villain? Villain is definitely a more powerful and emotive word than opponent.
Perhaps you could change villain to:- mind reader/Superior player/YoYo lol