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Should I shove in this spot?

peter27peter27 Member Posts: 1,634
edited December 2013 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
relaxedcom Small blind   800.00 800.00 87531.80
peter27 Big blind   1600.00 2400.00 11820.32
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • 10
     
bbMike Raise   3200.00 5600.00 17248.66
DoubleAAA Fold        
relaxedcom Fold        
peter27 All-in   11820.32 17420.32 0.00
bbMike Call   10220.32 27640.64 7028.34
peter27 Show
  • J
  • 10
     
bbMike Show
  • Q
  • Q
     
Flop
   
  • 4
  • 4
  • 9
     
Turn
   
  • 5
     
River
   
  • K
     
bbMike Win Two Pairs, Queens and 4s 27640.64   34668.98
Pretty sure I know the answer, but wanted to check. Clearly playing very shallow at this stage, but should I shove this or wait for a better spot?
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  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited December 2013
    You dont have much fold equity here at all and I wouldnt expect BBmike to be opening too light with 13bb and folding to a shove...

    You almost certainly arent ahead of his opening range here.  I'd be looking for a slightly better spot... in either an unopened pot with a lot of holdings or over a raise with hopefully a stronger hand.

    Although I totally understand the shove being so short n all... but I dont see you getting folds enough for this to be +ev.

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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited December 2013
    Gazza really sumed it up, you have no fold equity for this to ever be profitable.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited December 2013
    Easy fold, no FE and behind pretty much 100% of hands that he's opened.
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  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,828
    edited December 2013
    Easy fold. 

    You have no fold equity so need a strong hand to move allin with. I would even fold all Kx hands except KQ, A10 and lower and some PP's

    It is far, far better to be pushing FIRST into the hand with any two if you wish. I would rather push allin and be called by QQ than the other way. By being first in you can make many, many better hands fold.
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