Good start - it needed to be! - it'd be quite something if you could build up from such a low starting point.
None of us, doing our various Challenges, will ever match GaryQQQ's nothing to £1,000 affair, it was extraordinary, but if you can build from here, it won't be far behind.
OK here is a hand for you to look at. Didnt play it all that well to be honest. Thought i stood a good chance of a split the way the board fell so went for it. Feel free to flame if you want. Talon Small blind 75.00 75.00 1530.00 xxxx Big blind 150.00 225.00 2517.50 Your hole cards 6 4 4 5 lufc333 Fold PACU Fold STUPENDOUS Fold Talon Raise 225.00 450.00 1305.00 xxxx Call 150.00 600.00 2367.50 Flop 9 8 A Talon Bet 600.00 1200.00 705.00 xxxx All-in 2367.50 3567.50 0.00 Talon All-in 705.00 4272.50 0.00 xxxx Unmatched bet 1062.50 3210.00 1062.50 Talon Show 6 4 4 5 xxxx Show 4 A Q 8 Turn 7 River K Talon Win high Straight to the 9 1605.00 1605.00 Talon Win low 8-low 1605.00 3210.00 Posted by Talon
Well I certainly won't flame, but personally, I don't think that is an optimal play.
1) We have a VERY awkward stack size.
2) Because we are in the SB, we can't get full "leverage" with our raise. MUCH better to raise from Button or earlier, as you can get full leverage. It is only around 15% (?) of BB's stack to call, too.
3) Once we make that awkward sized raise, we become pretty much pot-stuck, & have to follow through no matter what the flop.
4) I really dislike - a lot - these middly-diddly cards in PLO8. If we get looked up, we are likely to be stuck in the middle of a dominating sandwich (A-K-2-3, A-Q-J-2, any overpair + A-2 or A-3) & we are dominated at both ends, & need to be super lucky to scoop. 4-4-5-6 must be in the bottom 20% of all PLO8 hands, at a guess - it is truly horrible. I used to have a chart which listed all the top 5,000 PLO8 hands, I'll see if I can find it somewhere, then we'll see. The only thing I do like about it is that it is a 2 way hand. When I make my move, it is almost always with a 2 way hand, I think that is super important. It gives me 2 ways to win - well, 3, if we count the probability of a pre-flop fold from Villains. I like 3 ways to win, I'm greedy.
5) With 1,530 behind (1,265 after passing our SB?), we have TONS of time before we have to commit. Even at 150-300, I'm not ready to push the panic button yet, but this was 75-150, & 100-200 is yet to come. I'd be quite comfy with 1,265 at 150-300, & it makes decisions so much easier - we can get a full stack bet in, & we know we are committed, so no headaches.
6) I prefer to wait a good while longer for a better spot. If none arrives, fine, as long as we have 900 to 1,000 @ 150-300, ANY bet from us takes a bit of calling. I am only guessing, but I estimate that 75 - 80% of full pot bets (when 4 handed) get through un-called. That buys us a whole orbit.
7) Whilst we are sitting & waiting for our optimal "spot", maybe someone else will do the work for us, & bust themselves by clashing heads. It happens an awful lot.
In short, I think that is the wrong hand, wrong position, & we made our move much too early.
We all play the same game differently though - & just as well! - but at least you committed by Raising, which is mandatory if we intend to play the hand at all. Limping in these spots is THE biggest way of stack degredation. Limping in such spots is utterly dreadful, imo.
As far as that hand is concerned. My play was dictated a lot by the number of players left in and the way the table had been playing.
If it had been on the bubble then i would be folding there and waiting for a better spot. But with 5 still in and me sitting short i felt the need to chip up a bit to keep me going. I took the opportunity because i could get a fold and had a hand that if i was called had a reasonable chance of flopping nicely. Perfect play, far from it. Overp[layed for sure, but at least when i got my chips over the line i had outs and sometimes that is all we can hope for.
Slow day for me today.
Results are not good either.
Today Played 4 won 2 lost 2
Overall Played 10 Won 8 Lost 2
Closing balance £3-19.
Could have been worse was playing catch up. But good job my balance could withstand a not so good day
I know it sounds really really daft, but in your spot I might just gamble, & enter a £2.25. Win that, & we have given ourselves some breathing space. Lose it, mind, & we have a proper headache......
£3.19? That's plenty! Chip & a chair & all that. I know it sounds really really daft, but in your spot I might just gamble, & enter a £2.25. Win that, & we have given ourselves some breathing space. Lose it, mind, & we have a proper headache...... Posted by Tikay10
Agreed not much difference except the fee as most of the players will be the same people you are playing at the moment anyway just wait for a table you fancy. i,am sure you will do it .
Or maybe if your not wanting too risk it going for the 2.25 try the 1.15.1 lose at that still £2.04
Interesting idea about taking a bit of a punt. But one of my main reasons for doing it this way and charting my progress is to give myself the discipline that i have been lacking. So have set myself strict amounts to reach before i can step up and have even built in loss levels for when i will go back down.
Rotten luck Talon, this isn't what I expected. Though on reflection I suppose it was always going to be very difficult with so few buy-ins to fall back on, one mini-downswing at the start and it's all over.
I blame DrRunGood, he stole all the challenge run-good when he shipped the Primo.
To be honest it was much easier for me to get off the ground because I had enough poker points to enter 40 freerolls before I needed to risk any real money.
This thread sparked a lot of interest and had great potential. I think you should make a small deposit and try again.
Hardly epic mate you lost 7 out of your last 9 a run that all STT players will go through and worse. UL now pick yourself up and go again see you on the tables again soon no doubt.
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Hi Colin,
Just seen this.
Good start - it needed to be! - it'd be quite something if you could build up from such a low starting point.
None of us, doing our various Challenges, will ever match GaryQQQ's nothing to £1,000 affair, it was extraordinary, but if you can build from here, it won't be far behind.
Good luck, I hope the journey is a long one.
Im sure i'll be along to donate in the coming days/weeks.
1) We have a VERY awkward stack size.
2) Because we are in the SB, we can't get full "leverage" with our raise. MUCH better to raise from Button or earlier, as you can get full leverage. It is only around 15% (?) of BB's stack to call, too.
3) Once we make that awkward sized raise, we become pretty much pot-stuck, & have to follow through no matter what the flop.
4) I really dislike - a lot - these middly-diddly cards in PLO8. If we get looked up, we are likely to be stuck in the middle of a dominating sandwich (A-K-2-3, A-Q-J-2, any overpair + A-2 or A-3) & we are dominated at both ends, & need to be super lucky to scoop. 4-4-5-6 must be in the bottom 20% of all PLO8 hands, at a guess - it is truly horrible. I used to have a chart which listed all the top 5,000 PLO8 hands, I'll see if I can find it somewhere, then we'll see. The only thing I do like about it is that it is a 2 way hand. When I make my move, it is almost always with a 2 way hand, I think that is super important. It gives me 2 ways to win - well, 3, if we count the probability of a pre-flop fold from Villains. I like 3 ways to win, I'm greedy.
5) With 1,530 behind (1,265 after passing our SB?), we have TONS of time before we have to commit. Even at 150-300, I'm not ready to push the panic button yet, but this was 75-150, & 100-200 is yet to come. I'd be quite comfy with 1,265 at 150-300, & it makes decisions so much easier - we can get a full stack bet in, & we know we are committed, so no headaches.
6) I prefer to wait a good while longer for a better spot. If none arrives, fine, as long as we have 900 to 1,000 @ 150-300, ANY bet from us takes a bit of calling. I am only guessing, but I estimate that 75 - 80% of full pot bets (when 4 handed) get through un-called. That buys us a whole orbit.
7) Whilst we are sitting & waiting for our optimal "spot", maybe someone else will do the work for us, & bust themselves by clashing heads. It happens an awful lot.
In short, I think that is the wrong hand, wrong position, & we made our move much too early.
We all play the same game differently though - & just as well! - but at least you committed by Raising, which is mandatory if we intend to play the hand at all. Limping in these spots is THE biggest way of stack degredation. Limping in such spots is utterly dreadful, imo.
Interesting hand.
As far as that hand is concerned. My play was dictated a lot by the number of players left in and the way the table had been playing.
If it had been on the bubble then i would be folding there and waiting for a better spot. But with 5 still in and me sitting short i felt the need to chip up a bit to keep me going. I took the opportunity because i could get a fold and had a hand that if i was called had a reasonable chance of flopping nicely. Perfect play, far from it. Overp[layed for sure, but at least when i got my chips over the line i had outs and sometimes that is all we can hope for.
Slow day for me today.
Results are not good either.
Today Played 4 won 2 lost 2
Overall Played 10 Won 8 Lost 2
Closing balance £3-19.
Could have been worse was playing catch up. But good job my balance could withstand a not so good day
a) that you're short - 10BB is a very playable stack in these (even half that isn't that short), and
b) you think there's a reasonable chance of flopping nicely with that hand.
£3.19? That's plenty!
Chip & a chair & all that.
I know it sounds really really daft, but in your spot I might just gamble, & enter a £2.25. Win that, & we have given ourselves some breathing space. Lose it, mind, & we have a proper headache......
Or maybe if your not wanting too risk it going for the 2.25 try the 1.15.1 lose at that still £2.04
good luck
Interesting idea about taking a bit of a punt. But one of my main reasons for doing it this way and charting my progress is to give myself the discipline that i have been lacking. So have set myself strict amounts to reach before i can step up and have even built in loss levels for when i will go back down.
Well the final results are in. After a day where it seemed every mistake i made cost me and every mistake my opponents made cost me as well.
Results Played 5 Lost 5
Balance 19p.
Challenge over and thread closed.
Turned out to be epic fail in the end .
Rotten luck Talon, this isn't what I expected. Though on reflection I suppose it was always going to be very difficult with so few buy-ins to fall back on, one mini-downswing at the start and it's all over.
I blame DrRunGood, he stole all the challenge run-good when he shipped the Primo.
To be honest it was much easier for me to get off the ground because I had enough poker points to enter 40 freerolls before I needed to risk any real money.
This thread sparked a lot of interest and had great potential. I think you should make a small deposit and try again.