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should i be just take the free card

craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,962
edited December 2013 in The Poker Clinic

it's the same problem every time at night i try a value bet with what looks a good hand and instead see a jam, now these are the same villians who will limp call preflop so unless i know they are a maniac the chances are they have the nuts. if it were against the passive type who try and trap me then i would bet but against the aggro who will jam right away should i just do the check on the turn and take the free card when the board is so dangerous.

xSmall blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.83
tonetana Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.68
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
craigcu12 Raise  £0.16 £0.22 £7.62
hotangel12 Call  £0.16 £0.38 £4.09
Aidan001 Fold     
electroace Call  £0.14 £0.52 £4.69
tonetana Call  £0.12 £0.64 £4.56
Flop
   
  • A
  • J
  • 10
     
xCheck     
tonetana Check     
craigcu12 Check     
hotangel12 Bet  £0.04 £0.68 £4.05
xRaise  £0.24 £0.92 £4.45
tonetana Fold     
craigcu12 call £0.24 £1.16 £7.38
hotangel12 Fold     
Turn
   
  • K
     
xCheck     
craigcu12 Bet  £0.58 £1.74 £6.80
xAll-in  £4.45 £6.19 £0.00
craigcu12  

Comments

  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited December 2013

    No value bet here, and fold to a raise, if we had 100 bb I would fold here.

    Given our stack happily getting it in.

  • 77Chris9177Chris91 Member Posts: 375
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: should i be just take the free card:
    No value bet here, and fold to a raise, if we had 100 bb I would fold here. Given our stack happily getting it in.
    Posted by LARSON7
    Your decision should not be affected by whether your up/down on your session or not. It's important to just make as many good +ev decisions as possible regardless. It shouldn't matter whether your 10bi up or 10bi down just try and play every hand as profitably as possible.

    Check turn :)
  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited December 2013
    why did you call the flop?

    this guy cold called pre from the small blind and checked raised 4 way.

    flop is an easy fold
    turn is an easier check back and evaluate the river, as played fold.

  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited December 2013
    Just seen the stack sizes you are well stacked.

    I would bet and fold to a big re-raise.

    Maybe checking the turn is best to see a free card.

    However, I would have folded the flop with the action, raise and a re-raise.

    Hope you binked your card on the river.
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited December 2013
    Either fold the flop
    or as the initial aggressor take a bet/fold approach
    but c/c doesn't really help you know where you are
    you are left with only 3 Qs to really hope for
    you are not priced in for a passive approach
    ps not nl4 specific
  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,962
    edited December 2013

    although it was a mistake and i should have folded the flop as i would have been behind.

    i just didn't like it having to toss away yet another hand all because of another 4p bluff.

    what i thought to myself when i called was if i knew that the player on the button was another who has a habit of doing 4p donks i would have did a 16pcbet myself anyway.

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited December 2013
    You're not facing a '4p bluff' though, you're facing the 4p bet AND someone else who has check/raised to 24p.

    What hands do you think they would check/raise on this board? How many are you you ahead of, how many are you behind to?
  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,962
    edited December 2013

    i understand the flop being a mistake to call when i know they will be not betting without it.
    i should have thought more about how much extra i have saved by checking rather than thinking about how much i would cbet if OOP to that 4p donk next.

  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,611
    edited December 2013
    Yeah, at the 2p/4p level you are almost always beaten here on the flop by at least one of them, if not both. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 4p bet had a small ace and the 24p raiser had A10 or AQ.
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