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Should I have bet the turn instead?
peter27
Member Posts: 1,634
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
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| peter27 | Big blind | 100.00 | 100.00 | 1125.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| david20120 | Fold | ||||
| alumchine | Fold | ||||
| paoni | Fold | ||||
| KENNY2201 | Call | 100.00 | 200.00 | 1382.50 | |
| peter27 | Raise | 100.00 | 300.00 | 1025.00 | |
| KENNY2201 | Call | 100.00 | 400.00 | 1282.50 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| peter27 | Bet | 200.00 | 600.00 | 825.00 | |
| KENNY2201 | Call | 200.00 | 800.00 | 1082.50 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| peter27 | Check | ||||
| KENNY2201 | Check | ||||
| River | |||||
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| peter27 | Bet | 400.00 | 1200.00 | 425.00 | |
| KENNY2201 | Call | 400.00 | 1600.00 | 682.50 | |
| peter27 | Show |
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| KENNY2201 | Muck |
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| peter27 | Win | Two Pairs, Jacks and 4s | 1600.00 | 2025.00 | |
Comments
In Response to Re: Should I have bet the turn instead?: Thanks Lambert :-)
Think one of the major things to consider is keeping it simple. With a pocket pair you will hit 1 in 7 times roughly. When you hold JJ about 50% of flops will contain an overcard. So the chances are you are not going to get a flop you like and you are not deep enough to play down the streets here. So all your action should be preflop. Playing it weak and then getting paranoid when you get resisitance is far from optimal.
Knowing the mindset of a lot of player. Anyone who open limps with a medium pp, if you jam on them they will dwell up and then know for 100% certainty that you have either AK or AQ and then call knowing full well they are racing.
In answer to your question. Should you have bet the turn? No because you should not have had any chips in front of you
Also you have alot more fold equity with 10bb than 5
In Response to Re: Should I have bet the turn instead?: Ha!
In Response to Re: Should I have bet the turn instead?: Yeah, pretty much everyone says this, and while I respect the opinion of more experienced players, I just don't see how shoving at 10BB's is a good option - especially in a DYM. I prefer to wait for a better hand and shove nearer 5BB's :-)
In Response to Re: Should I have bet the turn instead?: I completely understand that, however the problem with jamming is that if you lose, that's it. I played down the streets knowing I would (probably) get to the end of the hand with chips behind, and that was crucial in my decision.
In Response to Re: Should I have bet the turn instead?: Or to say the question another way; why is getting in 10xBB with JJ better than getting in 5xBB with JJ?
Essentially I would say that 5BB's is desperate whereas at 10BB's, in a DYM, is really not .. people jam so frequently in this type of tournament that it's worth hanging on a bit longer in case they knock themselves out. I have snook into 3rd many times before by just holding on when I have like 1 or 2 BB's left :-)
In Response to Re: Should I have bet the turn instead?: But do you want to miss the dropping down to 5BB's to double up twice? That's my point here. It keep you in longer, and in a DYM, that's critical. People go mental in them with shoving
You do have more fold equity yes, but then you'll just pick up the blinds and be on 13BB's, not really worth the risk to be honest - in my opinion anyway.
@Everyone I understand why everyone says jam here, and I definitely respect your opinions as you're all prolly way more experienced than me. However, in my experiences, jamming at 10BB's in a DYM is just -EV. Towards the end of one of these tournaments, it all about surviving as other players tend to go crazy. Maybe this will be different at higher levels, but if I am going to come round to your way of thinking, it will more than likely be the hard way