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Should I have called?

peter27peter27 Member Posts: 1,634
edited December 2013 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
amatanman Small blind   15.00 15.00 1745.00
vulcand Big blind   30.00 45.00 4285.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • J
     
marym64 Fold        
peter27 Raise   90.00 135.00 2175.00
piper1972 Raise   315.00 450.00 1515.00
amatanman Fold        
vulcand Call   285.00 735.00 4000.00
peter27 Fold        
Flop
   
  • A
  • J
  • 9
     
vulcand Bet   120.00 855.00 3880.00
piper1972 Raise   1095.00 1950.00 420.00
vulcand Call   975.00 2925.00 2905.00
Turn
   
  • K
     
vulcand Check        
piper1972 All-in   420.00 3345.00 0.00
vulcand Call   420.00 3765.00 2485.00
vulcand Show
  • A
  • 10
     
piper1972 Show
  • A
  • 10
     
River
   
  • Q
     
vulcand Win Straight to the Ace 1882.50   4367.50
piper1972 Win Straight to the Ace 1882.50   1882.50
From a DYM, no reads.

Standard 3x raise from me with AJ suited, but should I have called the re-raise?

My thought process was that with such a big raise, and a call by another player, chances are one of them had AQ, AK or a pocket pair ..

As it turns out, it was a great decision by me if we're results orientated - but what would you have done?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Should I have called?:
    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance amatanman Small blind   15.00 15.00 1745.00 vulcand Big blind   30.00 45.00 4285.00   Your hole cards A J       marym64 Fold         peter27 Raise   90.00 135.00 2175.00 piper1972 Raise   315.00 450.00 1515.00 amatanman Fold         vulcand Call   285.00 735.00 4000.00 peter27 Fold         Flop     A J 9       vulcand Bet   120.00 855.00 3880.00 piper1972 Raise   1095.00 1950.00 420.00 vulcand Call   975.00 2925.00 2905.00 Turn     K       vulcand Check         piper1972 All-in   420.00 3345.00 0.00 vulcand Call   420.00 3765.00 2485.00 vulcand Show A 10       piper1972 Show A 10       River     Q       vulcand Win Straight to the Ace 1882.50   4367.50 piper1972 Win Straight to the Ace 1882.50   1882.50 From a DYM, no reads. Standard 3x raise from me with AJ suited, but should I have called the re-raise? My thought process was that with such a big raise, and a call by another player, chances are one of them had AQ, AK or a pocket pair .. As it turns out, it was a great decision by me if we're results orientated - but what would you have done?
    Posted by peter27
    If you were being results orientated, it was a bad fold, because you were ahead of their actual hands at the time of folding.

    Very easy fold anyway, wp.
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  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited December 2013
    Readless from a dym always fold pre.  No point risking loads of chips early with AJ
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  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Should I have called?:
    Readless from a dym always fold pre.  No point risking loads of chips early with AJ
    Posted by cenachav
    I'd raise this hand in an unopened pot in the cut off every single time in a Dym early on.
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  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,828
    edited December 2013
    Peter - I think this is an excellent fold if not standard. Dont be results orientated. After that raise you have only two options. Readless its a clear fold and not to mention it is early on and you still have plenty of chips and always remember how many chips you have committed to the pot compared to your stack.
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  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Should I have called?:
    In Response to Re: Should I have called? : I'd raise this hand in an unopened pot in the cut off every single time in a Dym early on.
    Posted by Jac35
    Sorry, I should of made it clear I was talking about folding to the reraise and the call
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  • PokerNoonPokerNoon Member Posts: 202
    edited December 2013
    Take this post with a pinch of salt as I'm still not that experienced in poker...

    but in a DYM, that's a fair enough fold early on. No need to risk that number of chips.

    In a cash game I would actually throw down a just over 2x 4bet on that one. Reason being that I don't give the button raiser as much credit as I would give a raiser from the blinds. Reason being that they know they have position over you and are often happy to take a punt with a A-rag type hand or mid pocket pair (or even suited connector/gap) knowing that they have decent fold equity as well.

    A 4 bet here makes things a lot easier for you post flop. If he calls, you effectively have the lead and a decent sized c-bet is likely to induce a fold, unless he's either holding Aces or Kings, or he hits the flop well. If he 5 bets you, then it's an easy fold.

    Whereas if you were to just call his 3bet, you are now on the back foot and you're not sure where you are in the hand. It leaves you vulnerable to not hitting the flop, checking back to the button and him raising you and you being forced to fold.

    But like I say, I would only do that in a cash game. 
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  • peter27peter27 Member Posts: 1,634
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: Should I have called?:
    In Response to Should I have called? : If you were being results orientated, it was a bad fold, because you were ahead of their actual hands at the time of folding.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    At the time of folding yes, but surely "results orientated" means the final result? :-)

    In Response to Re: Should I have called?:
    Readless from a dym always fold pre.  No point risking loads of chips early with AJ
    Posted by cenachav
    In Response to Re: Should I have called?:
    In Response to Re: Should I have called? : Sorry, I should of made it clear I was talking about folding to the reraise and the call
    Posted by cenachav
    Okay, fair enough - that's what I did :p

    In Response to Re: Should I have called?:
    Peter - I think this is an excellent fold if not standard. Dont be results orientated. After that raise you have only two options. Readless its a clear fold and not to mention it is early on and you still have plenty of chips and always remember how many chips you have committed to the pot compared to your stack.
    Posted by CraigSG1
    Thanks very much Craig :-)

    In Response to Re: Should I have called?:
    Take this post with a pinch of salt as I'm still not that experienced in poker... but in a DYM, that's a fair enough fold early on. No need to risk that number of chips. In a cash game I would actually throw down a just over 2x 4bet on that one. Reason being that I don't give the button raiser as much credit as I would give a raiser from the blinds. Reason being that they know they have position over you and are often happy to take a punt with a A-rag type hand or mid pocket pair (or even suited connector/gap) knowing that they have decent fold equity as well. A 4 bet here makes things a lot easier for you post flop. If he calls, you effectively have the lead and a decent sized c-bet is likely to induce a fold, unless he's either holding Aces or Kings, or he hits the flop well. If he 5 bets you, then it's an easy fold. Whereas if you were to just call his 3bet, you are now on the back foot and you're not sure where you are in the hand. It leaves you vulnerable to not hitting the flop, checking back to the button and him raising you and you being forced to fold. But like I say, I would only do that in a cash game. 
    Posted by PokerNoon
    Thanks for the very detailed response PokerNoon. Calling was never really an option TBH, just looks weak.
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