Couple of the names are actually in priority!? Am i right in assuming they didnt make 10k points last month? which means they get the benefits of staying in priority but also get to take part in and benefit from promotions that otherwise would exclude them!!? Posted by hurst05
Do you mean they made 10k in Dec or you mean they're usually Prio? What benefits of Prio are they getting? Cos if they have just missed out in Dec but been allowed to roll over (I've had this done once in the past) to the next month cos they've been in for a while and only just missed out, so they're still getting to play the Prio FRs and take part in the Prio promotion then that's not cool.
In Response to Re: ****PLAYSTATION 4 LEADERBOARD**** : Do you mean they made 10k in Dec or you mean they're usually Prio? What benefits of Prio are they getting? Cos if they have just missed out in Dec but been allowed to roll over (I've had this done once in the past) to the next month cos they've been in for a while and only just missed out, so they're still getting to play the Prio FRs and take part in the Prio promotion then that's not cool. Posted by Lambert180
This month its actually more beneficial not to be in priority imo (or should i say the bronze tier). The rake race looks like it has attracted some mid-higher stakes regs back to the site. What appeared to be a PS4 banked for 12k points now looks like 15k plus judging by early figures. So sky have done well out of this no doubt.
But anyone who normally gets 10-12k points per month has had a right raw deal out of this. The cash value of the PS4 plus rewards make the actual rakeback well in excess of 30% possibly 40% for some (bronze rakeback is 20%).
I have said this to the priority manager, and to exclude priority purely on the basis of December's reward points is frankly unfair. IMO sky should have looked back over the last 3 months (possibly more) and said that if you where in priority over this period then you do not qualify. I am not sure how this would affect the leaderboard but if skys intention was to get new grinders on board making priority then they havent succeeded.
In Response to Re: ****PLAYSTATION 4 LEADERBOARD**** : This month its actually more beneficial not to be in priority imo (or should i say the bronze tier). The rake race looks like it has attracted some mid-higher stakes regs back to the site. What appeared to be a PS4 banked for 12k points now looks like 15k plus judging by early figures. So sky have done well out of this no doubt. But anyone who normally gets 10-12k points per month has had a right raw deal out of this. The cash value of the PS4 plus rewards make the actual rakeback well in excess of 30% possibly 40% for some (bronze rakeback is 20%). I have said this to the priority manager, and to exclude priority purely on the basis of December's reward points is frankly unfair. IMO sky should have looked back over the last 3 months (possibly more) and said that if you where in priority over this period then you do not qualify. I am not sure how this would affect the leaderboard but if skys intention was to get new grinders on board making priority then they havent succeeded. Posted by ACEGOONER
i know but it sounds like Jamie is saying some people are Prio AND able to do this promo. Has to be one or the other imo. Fwiw. I got the prio email despite not being in this month and there are multiple £1.5k packages for prio members so its not all bad
In Response to Re: ****PLAYSTATION 4 LEADERBOARD**** : i know but it sounds like Jamie is saying some people are Prio AND able to do this promo. Has to be one or the other imo. Fwiw. I got the prio email despite not being in this month and there are multiple £1.5k packages for prio members so its not all bad Posted by Lambert180
Not really the point of my post tbh. But if there are existing prio people in this then its bordering on farcical.
The ultimate strategy for a prio bronze member must be to get just below 10k, and not bother exceeding if we will have more promos like this.
A £1.5k package is only any good if 1 you want to play the me and 2 you are available. Both of which are a no in my case.
Edit: How do sky get around annoying prio players when they do try to attract new players to the site with rake races? How about bringing back some incentive to stay in prio like offering a 10% uplift for players who have been prio for more than 3 months AND exclude them from promos such as the PS4 rake race.
In Response to Re: ****PLAYSTATION 4 LEADERBOARD**** : Not really the point of my post tbh. But if there are existing prio people in this then its bordering on farcical. The ultimate strategy for a prio bronze member must be to get just below 10k, and not bother exceeding if we will have more promos like this. A £1.5k package is only any good if 1 you want to play the me and 2 you are available. Both of which are a no in my case. Posted by ACEGOONER
100% agree with this ,those who just made 10k last month are for sure losing out by not bein eligable in this promo.
You have to get around 18k+points to get £400 when if you was in this promo you could get a chance at a ps4 (£400ish value) and also the cash for points return from goin for it.
The £1500 package for priority members are a nice way for sky to say "grind your as.s out" eg but there actually pointless for me aswell and thats only if you even win a seat.
In Response to Re: ****PLAYSTATION 4 LEADERBOARD**** : Do you mean they made 10k in Dec or you mean they're usually Prio? What benefits of Prio are they getting? Cos if they have just missed out in Dec but been allowed to roll over (I've had this done once in the past) to the next month cos they've been in for a while and only just missed out, so they're still getting to play the Prio FRs and take part in the Prio promotion then that's not cool. Posted by Lambert180
I have no idea if they made 10k last month or not but im assuming they didnt cause they are on the leaderboard. But several names on the list played the priority freerolls this month so are clearly still in priority, but they're still aloud to take part in a promo that IS SUPPOSED to exclude priority members! Can't blame the players who are taking advantage of this loophole but seems pretty flawed on skys part
In Response to Re: ****PLAYSTATION 4 LEADERBOARD**** : I have no idea if they made 10k last month or not but im assuming they didnt cause they are on the leaderboard. But several names on the list played the priority freerolls this month so are clearly still in priority, but they're still aloud to take part in a promo that IS SUPPOSED to exclude priority members! Can't blame the players who are taking advantage of this loophole but seems pretty flawed on skys part Posted by hurst05
If I had made priority in December I would be annoyed at this promotion. Before it got confirmed I thought it was a mistake in small print that priority members were excluded.
I was loyal to Sky and made priority nearly 50 months in a row. However, they scrapped 3+month bonus and offered new players guaranteed 30% rake back. So I decided to take my business elsewhere, decided to come back as r lass fancies a PS4 and another offer via email interested me.
I believe there is some live tournament package for priority members. That would have no appeal to me I wouldn't play in it if they offered it for free (not just saying that, I turned down GUKPT entry before).
Unfortunately it looks like people will keep having to jump sites to get a good deal like you have to with car insurance. I would rather just stick with the same site month in month out but if it pays to move about that's what I will have to do.
All players that accumulated over 10K points last month are excluded from this promotion. All others can participate. This was based exclusivively on the rewards scheme and when rakeback kicks in. Essentially any one on rake back last month cannot participate.
I have to say guys that there is no perfect way to run a leaderboard without annoying some players. The only criteria for this month's leaderboard, since we really haven't done a leaderboard in quite some time was to include as many players as possible without the leaderboard getting completely out of hand, which means we decided to take out priority players since they have their own separate budget. There is no way to predict which players will opt in to the promotion and inevitably will increase their play for the whole month.
Having said that, since this leaderboard has generally worked and has had mostly positive feedback we want to improve things so there are more prizes for various customer groups. Therefore in the coming months there will definitely be more tiered promotions/leaderboards.
If I had made priority in December I would be annoyed at this promotion. Before it got confirmed I thought it was a mistake in small print that priority members were excluded. I was loyal to Sky and made priority nearly 50 months in a row. However, they scrapped 3+month bonus and offered new players guaranteed 30% rake back. So I decided to take my business elsewhere, decided to come back as r lass fancies a PS4 and another offer via email interested me. I believe there is some live tournament package for priority members. That would have no appeal to me I wouldn't play in it if they offered it for free (not just saying that, I turned down GUKPT entry before). Unfortunately it looks like people will keep having to jump sites to get a good deal like you have to with car insurance. I would rather just stick with the same site month in month out but if it pays to move about that's what I will have to do. Posted by ajs4385
Hello all, All players that accumulated over 10K points last month are excluded from this promotion. All others can participate. This was based exclusivively on the rewards scheme and when rakeback kicks in. Essentially any one on rake back last month cannot participate. I have to say guys that there is no perfect way to run a leaderboard without annoying some players. The only criteria for this month's leaderboard, since we really haven't done a leaderboard in quite some time was to include as many players as possible without the leaderboard getting completely out of hand, which means we decided to take out priority players since they have their own separate budget. There is no way to predict which players will opt in to the promotion and inevitably will increase their play for the whole month. Having said that, since this leaderboard has generally worked and has had mostly positive feedback we want to improve things so there are more prizes for various customer groups. Therefore in the coming months there will definitely be more tiered promotions/leaderboards. Thanks to all again for your responses/feedback. Justin Posted by Sky_Justin
Justin
How exactly has this promotion worked? The idea was to give recreational players the opportunity to up their volume and bag a PS4 or cash equivalent.
The reality, because sky have made a pigs ear of the criteria to enter; is former prio members (some who where in priority for November) have realised following the RTR debacle that for one month (and only one month if you dont run this promo again) that sky is actually a good place to be!
So you have half a dozen former sky regs, pumelling the points and by my calculations 73 bronze tier priority (going by the freeroll on sunday) players who have every right to be just a bit peeved off with sky.
How can sky avoid this sort of farce in the future, well as I have already said have a window of 3 or even 6 months where any priority players are excluded. Then you will have a genuine chance of attracting new players to sky rather than alienating your existing player base.
In the financial services sector there is a principle called "treating your customers fairly" meaning you have to charge the same amount to different clients for the same service. In my opinion sky is not in any way treating its customers fairly with this promo and the RTR debacle.
In Response to Re: ****PLAYSTATION 4 LEADERBOARD**** : Justin How exactly has this promotion worked? The idea was to give recreational players the opportunity to up their volume and bag a PS4 or cash equivalent. The reality, because sky have made a pigs ear of the criteria to enter; is former prio members (some who where in priority for November) have realised following the RTR debacle that for one month (and only one month if you dont run this promo again) that sky is actually a good place to be! So you have half a dozen former sky regs, pumelling the points and by my calculations 73 bronze tier priority (going by the freeroll on sunday) players who have every right to be just a bit peeved off with sky. How can sky avoid this sort of farce in the future, well as I have already said have a window of 3 or even 6 months where any priority players are excluded. Then you will have a genuine chance of attracting new players to sky rather than alienating your existing player base. In the financial services sector there is a principle called "treating your customers fairly" meaning you have to charge the same amount to different clients for the same service. In my opinion sky is not in any way treating its customers fairly with this promo and the RTR debacle. Posted by ACEGOONER
Hello Ace,
Priority players have their own promotions every single month so they have their own leaderboards, targets etc. The idea of the promotion was to engage with the entire database. If we had taken out past priority players then of course they wouldn't be happy as well so there is no perfect way of doing this. Of course we also want past priority players to comeback and play at the volumes they were playing at before.
We have PS4 Freerolls every Sunday for all recreational players to participate in, not to mention that all players get poker rewards bonuses at the beginning of every month so even if you don't end up with a PS4 this month you should still receive a nice cash bonus.
Players 11-50 on the leaderboard also get into a private freeroll where the final table will each receive a PS4.
As I have said in previous posts we will definitely create leaderboards in the future targetted to all different customer groups especially the recreational players. This leaderboard was the first one we have done for a while and it was also a nice test to see if this type of promotion works and if players like it. It appears to be working and players do like this format so now its just about improving and enhancing it for the coming months.
In Response to Re: ****PLAYSTATION 4 LEADERBOARD**** : Justin How exactly has this promotion worked? The idea was to give recreational players the opportunity to up their volume and bag a PS4 or cash equivalent. The reality, because sky have made a pigs ear of the criteria to enter; is former prio members (some who where in priority for November) have realised following the RTR debacle that for one month (and only one month if you dont run this promo again) that sky is actually a good place to be! So you have half a dozen former sky regs, pumelling the points and by my calculations 73 bronze tier priority (going by the freeroll on sunday) players who have every right to be just a bit peeved off with sky. How can sky avoid this sort of farce in the future, well as I have already said have a window of 3 or even 6 months where any priority players are excluded. Then you will have a genuine chance of attracting new players to sky rather than alienating your existing player base. In the financial services sector there is a principle called "treating your customers fairly" meaning you have to charge the same amount to different clients for the same service. In my opinion sky is not in any way treating its customers fairly with this promo and the RTR debacle. Posted by ACEGOONER
Wrong. THe point of this promotion was to get people who werent putting in a lot of volume to do so, and its working. Therefore its a success.
Glad you bring up other business practises because what generally happens is if you are a client who gives a lot of business to a company then they treat you more favourably and give you bigger discounts. If you leave them they often try and entice you back with better deals. THats all thats happening here.
The PS4's arent free, you gotta generate the rake. This isnt a freeroll. The comp is also open to everyone bar the highest rakers and yet still you are complainging the criteria for entry is still too wide because you dont fit into the top percentile.
this kinda proves u dnt have to be a 100 nl player to be top 10 Posted by IDONKCALLU
Ofc you dont, everyone could go play £40 HU sngs and destroy it or millions of russian roulettes but what would be the point if u lose more than the value of the prize lol. the 100nl players are likely just winning as normal... Except Bean
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I was loyal to Sky and made priority nearly 50 months in a row. However, they scrapped 3+month bonus and offered new players guaranteed 30% rake back. So I decided to take my business elsewhere, decided to come back as r lass fancies a PS4 and another offer via email interested me.
I believe there is some live tournament package for priority members. That would have no appeal to me I wouldn't play in it if they offered it for free (not just saying that, I turned down GUKPT entry before).
Unfortunately it looks like people will keep having to jump sites to get a good deal like you have to with car insurance. I would rather just stick with the same site month in month out but if it pays to move about that's what I will have to do.
All players that accumulated over 10K points last month are excluded from this promotion. All others can participate. This was based exclusivively on the rewards scheme and when rakeback kicks in. Essentially any one on rake back last month cannot participate.
I have to say guys that there is no perfect way to run a leaderboard without annoying some players. The only criteria for this month's leaderboard, since we really haven't done a leaderboard in quite some time was to include as many players as possible without the leaderboard getting completely out of hand, which means we decided to take out priority players since they have their own separate budget. There is no way to predict which players will opt in to the promotion and inevitably will increase their play for the whole month.
Having said that, since this leaderboard has generally worked and has had mostly positive feedback we want to improve things so there are more prizes for various customer groups. Therefore in the coming months there will definitely be more tiered promotions/leaderboards.
Thanks to all again for your responses/feedback.
Justin
Priority players have their own promotions every single month so they have their own leaderboards, targets etc. The idea of the promotion was to engage with the entire database. If we had taken out past priority players then of course they wouldn't be happy as well so there is no perfect way of doing this. Of course we also want past priority players to comeback and play at the volumes they were playing at before.
We have PS4 Freerolls every Sunday for all recreational players to participate in, not to mention that all players get poker rewards bonuses at the beginning of every month so even if you don't end up with a PS4 this month you should still receive a nice cash bonus.
Players 11-50 on the leaderboard also get into a private freeroll where the final table will each receive a PS4.
As I have said in previous posts we will definitely create leaderboards in the future targetted to all different customer groups especially the recreational players. This leaderboard was the first one we have done for a while and it was also a nice test to see if this type of promotion works and if players like it. It appears to be working and players do like this format so now its just about improving and enhancing it for the coming months.
Thanks,
Justin
Glad you bring up other business practises because what generally happens is if you are a client who gives a lot of business to a company then they treat you more favourably and give you bigger discounts. If you leave them they often try and entice you back with better deals. THats all thats happening here.
The PS4's arent free, you gotta generate the rake. This isnt a freeroll. The comp is also open to everyone bar the highest rakers and yet still you are complainging the criteria for entry is still too wide because you dont fit into the top percentile.
You can only punt your way into the top 10 for so long before the money runs out.
Spose it proves you dnt have to be a 100nl player to be top 10 after 8 days.