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HUSNG call or fold?
M_Tutte
Member Posts: 13
Hello everyone.
Just started playing HUSNG exclusively to see if I can actually beat the game instead of spewing off at other formats when I'm loosing.
I keep finding myself in this situation where I'm sat with 22, 33, 44, 55 and opponent shoves 15 - 20bbs I'll call and loose my lead. The example below I know villain is doing this with Ax most of the time.
My question is, knowing that it's going to be a flip should I put myself in that position or is this a ridiculous question and a standard call? If so be harsh... but fair!
Just started playing HUSNG exclusively to see if I can actually beat the game instead of spewing off at other formats when I'm loosing.
I keep finding myself in this situation where I'm sat with 22, 33, 44, 55 and opponent shoves 15 - 20bbs I'll call and loose my lead. The example below I know villain is doing this with Ax most of the time.
My question is, knowing that it's going to be a flip should I put myself in that position or is this a ridiculous question and a standard call? If so be harsh... but fair!
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
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| M_Tutte | Small blind | 25.00 | 25.00 | 1900.00 | |
| x | Big blind | 50.00 | 75.00 | 1025.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| M_Tutte | Raise | 75.00 | 150.00 | 1825.00 | |
| x | All-in | 1025.00 | 1175.00 | 0.00 | |
| M_Tutte | Call | 975.00 | 2150.00 | 850.00 | |
| M_Tutte | Show |
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| x | Show |
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| x | Win | Pair of Aces | 2150.00 | 2150.00 | |
Comments
All versions of pokerstove seemed to have expired but stumbled across another free calculator called Equilab which pretty easy to use and works a treat.
In HU I would just fold this hand so early, no point flipping (at best) at this stage.
never fold readless here. even with reads i'm calling lol.
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some ideas for you regarding small pairs 20bb deep:
you can jam these pairs. it's not horrible to open jam 55 here, 22-33 it's probably preferable to open jam. here's why:
55 is an unexploitable jam, even much deeper than 20bb [i think up to 50bb deep]. in other words even if your opponent knows your hand and adopts a PERFECT calling range its a guarenteed +ev shove long term. you cannot make a big mistake shoving 55.
lets look at the advantages of open jamming v our opponents entire range v minraising:
his bigger pairs are getting in anyway, you lose nothing by jamming
his junk that would fold to a minraise also folds, you lose nothing by jamming
his range that would flat a min raise - JT, K7s etc - this crumbles when you jam. you wont do better than 1bb in expectation when your opponent flats, you gain a LOT v this part of his range by open jamming.
his value shoving range over a minraise is going to call anyway, you lose nothing by jamming.
his bluff jams now fold - this is not a disaster for you K6, 76s and junk he would have shoved over a minraise has tremendous all-in equity against you anyway, you lose little by failing to induce here.
very few players will be both cannny enought to put you on a small pair, know that 86s has the correct equity to call and have have the balls to do so. people ont call correctly against you and even if they did you are in a +ev situation long term.
if you dont like these spots with small pairs 20bb deep copnsider jamming
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however i do think 55 is too strong to open jam this deep, we can do better by minraising and looking for spots post flop. facing a jam, we have to call v the general population. people will jam smaller pairs, A2, A3, A4, A5 and we do brilliantly against that range - we arent always flipping, and when we are we have the equity to call. agaisnt bigger pairs: meh, these things happen.
also we can take AA, KK, QQ, JJ TT and probably 99 out of 95% of peoples ranges. nobody with a brain is jamming AA here, it would be spew against the VAST majority of your min raising range.
take those big pairs out of your opponent's range and it is a snap call.
summary: never fold here without SOLID reads.
if we have the correct equity to call it off, we call it off.
dont pass up small +ev edges hoping to pick up 'better spots' later. take your edge where and as you find it. these situations come up SO often that if we pass up on these edges they will add up over time. winning players at this format are the ones who relentlessly pound small edges and accept the short-term variance that comes with that strategy. long term they clean up.
getting used to the swings and beats is the most difficult part of the format, as im finding out lol.
Keep it simple;)
Are you saying that 55, fairs well against opponents range? And if flipping you would always call?
There is 1175 in the middle, and its only costing us 975 to call.
So basically 975 to win 2150, so we are getting 55%?
From a maths perspective on this basis against two overs it would be a call.
I suppose your tables above include, A2-4, 22-44s which we are well ahead of.
When you factor in overs, what are the %s?
It's quite an elaborate set up really, like when you talked about "nash"
Can't argue with the maths, but if you have an edge on your opponent, I don't see the point in potentially doubling them up on what most times will be a 50/50, althought mathematically your argument is sound.
Great to see some discussion of HU hands.
What about lower pairs, 44 33 22?
Are you calling off a shove with 4, 3,s 2s?
Hello all, Thankyou for the replies.
Although the hand here is mathematically the correct call I can't help but think there's an argument like Larson and Jimb0 said to find a better spot if we feel as though there's an edge there.
On checking your scope I noticed that you play mainly Hypers and Turbos. Do you think your strategy is aimed at that speed game were the maths is pretty much the name of the game? Were as I'm playing regular and speed [which I probably should have mentioned] and could have 3, 4, 5 mins of a level left to play, therefore make a fold.