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Easy fold...?
ClintonH83
Member Posts: 431
If this an easy fold? Thoughts on the guy was he was a bit loose, played quite a few hands... had shoved a lot like this but had never seen what he had as everyone folded. When he shoved I did think small flush? I didn't really know but thought if he does at least I have the J flush draw
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Small blind | £0.02 | £0.02 | £3.11 | ||
| BBB56 | Big blind | £0.04 | £0.06 | £2.47 | |
| step4 | Big blind | £0.04 | £0.10 | £3.16 | |
| the_scout | Big blind | £0.04 | £0.14 | £3.16 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| step4 | Check | ||||
| the_scout | Check | ||||
| nannymay23 | Fold | ||||
| ClintonH83 | Raise | £0.12 | £0.26 | £9.85 | |
| Call | £0.10 | £0.36 | £3.01 | ||
| BBB56 | Fold | ||||
| step4 | Call | £0.08 | £0.44 | £3.08 | |
| the_scout | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| Check | |||||
| step4 | Bet | £0.22 | £0.66 | £2.86 | |
| ClintonH83 | Call | £0.22 | £0.88 | £9.63 | |
| Call | £0.22 | £1.10 | £2.79 | ||
| Turn | |||||
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| All-in | £2.79 | £3.89 | £0.00 | ||
| step4 | Fold | ||||
| ClintonH83 | Call | £2.79 | £6.68 | £6.84 | |
| Show |
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| ClintonH83 | Show |
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| River | |||||
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| Win | Flush to the 10 | £6.17 | |||
Comments
Have to call then?
So 2.79+2.79+3.89=9.47, 2.79/9.47=29% equity needed to break even on our call.
So it depends on reads. If you think villain has flush its a clear fold. Obv if you think you're ahead it's a no brain call. You need villain to be super spewy to call here.
But normally a overshove like this on the turn does indicate a near nutted hand, so its possible to get away from this.
I'm not saying fold, i'm saying its player dependent.
Also i know villain quite well so i would have folded fwiw, but there are many spewtards i would of snapped off.
I did think he had a small flush and in truth I never really know what to do here... Some people say call, others fold.
I'm asking because im a bit tilty at present and I don't know if I played it right or wrong?
There are different kinds of fish and its important to catergorise them. Some are passive and just call, others are aggro donks, some are just abc super transparent players who play their cards face up. However there really are not that many maniacs @nl4.
Most fish really are aware of flushes and tend to slow down when theres a possible flush out there.
Villain really has polarised is hand here, so hes near nutted or complete air balling. Its rare i see moves like this from any kind of fish with 1 pair 2 pair type hands after a flush card hits.
Even if he was spazing out here, i think the times he holds a flush heavily out weighs the times hes spewing here. Also the bet sizing is a subtle tell, it really does look strong and i think calling here will probably be -EV in the long term, unless you know villain is super spewy or on monkey tilt.
Anyway, raise bigger pre-flop. Lots of dead money out there and we're likely to be called pretty wide. We have position and a decent hand, so let them put in more. The old guide of 3x+1 works just fine 100BBeff. Whenever I've played at this level I'd always make my opens 3x or 4x+1 when there are limpers. The rake kicks the life out of you at these levels, so you've got to get maximum value from both your big hands and your pre-flop raise/c-bet pots.
We should probably raise the flop. This is a good flop for us to semi-bluff and it's tough for either of the villains to have a strong Kx hand. We're much more likely to be holding one of these.
The turn is probably a fold. I tend to agree that usually a big donk-shove is someone getting very excited because they've hit their hand and want to get it in. Against the villain's range we're probably in bad shape. It should be noted that the villain shoving the turn is not the one that donked the flop. If he held a set or two-pair it's a strange line to try to get it in on the turn, after the draws all come in, having not raised the flop.
It's unlikely that villain is just holding a bare flush draw, top-pair with a draw, two-pair, set or air. That leaves us beating an Ad with a low pair. That's not many hands.
In game most will call, of course. We hit our straight, after all.