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Slowroll...?
Slipwater
Member Posts: 3,592
So I was playing a live game last night, and the only hand of any interest is this one.
I am dealt aces. I think I'm under the gun (can't remember). Blinds are 300/600. I raise to 1,500. Fold, fold, fold, fold, fold.
Small blind calls. Big blind folds.
Now, the small blind has shown about four or five big bluffs up to this point, on the turn or river, where he actually has nothing at all, so I'm wary of this from the outset.
Flop is KJ6 with two spades. I have the ace of spades. He checks; I bet 2,400. He raises to 5,000. I think for a little then call.
The turn is the nine of spades. Three spades on board. He open shoves about 35k. Now, I only have about 17k behind, so the call is for my tournament life. His check/raise on the flop made me think he was chasing a flush and his instant shove when the third spade came down almost solidified that thinking. KJ is also a reasonable possibilty.
Obviously I have the redraw to the nut flush, with only the river to come, but I am very concerned I am behind at that point, to either a flush or two pair... but as I said earlier, he has shown several massive bluffs, so this could be another.
I thought for probably ninety seconds/two minutes and then called (finally deciding he was bluffing yet again), and the guy flips over J7 offsuit - second pair; rubbish kicker! I was a mile ahead and it stayed that way with a blank river.
My reason for the post, and what got me annoyed - the guy to my right started berating me for slowrolling the guy; telling me it was an obvious and instant call with the ace of spades. Of course, it isn't a slowroll anyway, because I had nothing like the nuts at that point, but he said I had no business thinking about a call for so long.
I told him I'd agree if it was on the flop, but with the turn already out it's not such a certainty to throw your tournament into the pot hoping for a fourth spade on board. Even though the guy was a proven bluffer at the table, that's not to say that in that hand he didn't actually have the goods - those other hands could easily have been a set up for the sting, because he knew we had all seen him play games earlier.
He played it like a made flush (or at least KJ for two pair) so
Was I wrong not to call right away?
I am dealt aces. I think I'm under the gun (can't remember). Blinds are 300/600. I raise to 1,500. Fold, fold, fold, fold, fold.
Small blind calls. Big blind folds.
Now, the small blind has shown about four or five big bluffs up to this point, on the turn or river, where he actually has nothing at all, so I'm wary of this from the outset.
Flop is KJ6 with two spades. I have the ace of spades. He checks; I bet 2,400. He raises to 5,000. I think for a little then call.
The turn is the nine of spades. Three spades on board. He open shoves about 35k. Now, I only have about 17k behind, so the call is for my tournament life. His check/raise on the flop made me think he was chasing a flush and his instant shove when the third spade came down almost solidified that thinking. KJ is also a reasonable possibilty.
Obviously I have the redraw to the nut flush, with only the river to come, but I am very concerned I am behind at that point, to either a flush or two pair... but as I said earlier, he has shown several massive bluffs, so this could be another.
I thought for probably ninety seconds/two minutes and then called (finally deciding he was bluffing yet again), and the guy flips over J7 offsuit - second pair; rubbish kicker! I was a mile ahead and it stayed that way with a blank river.
My reason for the post, and what got me annoyed - the guy to my right started berating me for slowrolling the guy; telling me it was an obvious and instant call with the ace of spades. Of course, it isn't a slowroll anyway, because I had nothing like the nuts at that point, but he said I had no business thinking about a call for so long.
I told him I'd agree if it was on the flop, but with the turn already out it's not such a certainty to throw your tournament into the pot hoping for a fourth spade on board. Even though the guy was a proven bluffer at the table, that's not to say that in that hand he didn't actually have the goods - those other hands could easily have been a set up for the sting, because he knew we had all seen him play games earlier.
He played it like a made flush (or at least KJ for two pair) so
Was I wrong not to call right away?
Comments
As I said though - he played it like a made flush. I'm not just instantly calling, because I've only got one pair with the one-card redraw to come. Just because he has bluffed before doesn't mean he always is.
Guy should have called for clock if he was bothered, but calling it a slow roll is a little overboard. Most likely he just was throwing his toys out of his pram because he got found out and looked up.
Seriously a slow-roll is ONLY when you know you have the best hand, and the rest of the time it is just people talking bull****. If you take your time calling a preflop all in with AA, or take an age with the nuts. Those are slow rolls, this isn't even in the vaguest league of a slow-roll hand.
Agree that v a guy like that its a much easier call but every hand is different and just because he has bluffed his @ss off up to this point dosnt mean he hasnt got you beat now
Playing J7 like a boss ftw
Ofc this ain't a slowroll.
Shut up!
I'll bet there have been a few calls that you've made where you've kicked yourself a little bit for etc.