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Is he the best?

Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
edited February 2014 in Poker Chat

Phil Ivey won another major tournament taking down $4m (Australian dollars) in the $250k buyin event. Very nice!

Phil is oftern cited by people as the best but do you agree? If someone asked you if Phil Ivey was the best all-round holdem player in the world would you say yes?
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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited February 2014

    As usual, your thoughts would be appreciated.

    If you voted no, who would you say is the best?

    Or do you think it's impossible to say?
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,664
    edited February 2014
    I like the guy, but I've always had a soft spot for Hellmuth.
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited February 2014
    Poker is a game of such small edges these days, who are we to say who is the best? None of us are good enough to make that assesment. 
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,664
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: Is he the best?:
    Poker is a game of such small edges these days, who are we to say who is the best? None of us are good enough to make that assesment. 
    Posted by FlashFlush
    Lol - stop being such a grumble-puss and name someone! ;)
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,843
    edited February 2014

    Would he beat Matt Bates Heads Up?

    Come to think of it, have Phil Ivey & Matt Bates ever been spotted in the same room? Could be the same guy.
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: Is he the best?:
    Would he beat Matt Bates Heads Up? Come to think of it, have Phil Ivey & Matt Bates ever been spotted in the same room? Could be the same guy.
    Posted by Tikay10
    not so sure Tikay

    Phil Hellmuth- 6'7
    Huck Seed - 6'6
    Daniel Negreanu- 5'8
    Sammy Farha- 5'6
    Eli Elezra- 5'7
    Phil Ivey - 6'1
    Barry Greenstein- 5'9
    Antonio Esfandiari- 6'0
    Mike Matasow- 5'11
    Tom Dwan - 6'0
    Patrick Antonius- 6'2
    Phil Laak- 6'1
    Freddy Deeb- 5'3
    David Williams- 6'1
    Doyle Brunson- 6'2
    Eric Seidel- 6'4
    Ilares Sahamies- 5'10
    Dario Minieri- 5'8
    Peter Eastgate - 5'9
    David Rheem- 5'10
    Jamie Gold - 5'10
    Matt Bates - 4'11
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  • tomo_efctomo_efc Member Posts: 716
    edited February 2014
    Matt Bates - 4'11 And that's standing on his wallet...
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  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited February 2014
    Did you know that there are two man made objects visible from space.  The Great Wall of China and Matt Bates wallet
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  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited February 2014
    Mercier or Trickett for me.
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  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited February 2014
    Wasn't Mercier a huge loser in 2013?
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited February 2014
    Difficult to look beyond the Germans in recent times.
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  • salazarsalazar Member Posts: 330
    edited February 2014
    The best player in the world is probably some internet kid who no one knows and is cleaning up
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: Is he the best?:
    tom dwan for me is in a diff league to any 1 else at cash mtts i like jason mercier
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    So why did he, and still now, refuse to play Jungleman HU? And rather than playing him HU, he's having to pay him $40k+ every month or something until he finally plays. 

    Ivey, no
    Dwan, no

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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: Is he the best?:
    Poker is a game of such small edges these days, who are we to say who is the best? None of us are good enough to make that assesment. 
    Posted by FlashFlush
    was there even a point in posting? 
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  • Payney1978Payney1978 Member Posts: 75
    edited February 2014
    Ivey probably is the best all round player in the world but I think there are others who are likely better NLH tournament players. 

    People like Vanessa Selbst, Scott Seiver, Jason Mercier and Steve O'Dwyer to name a few seem to consistently cash in big events. I reckon their MTT ability is slightly better than Ivey's, probably as they seem to play more tournaments than him.
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  • JONONZIEJONONZIE Member Posts: 367
    edited February 2014
     

    I think you have to look who is and has been around the longest and still winning ivey is good although loaded three time and still busted out in the high roller I think same time as the EPT 9 was playing.
     my money is on,Erik Seidel, Phil Hellmuth and (my favorite)   Daniel Negreanu and of course "The Magician" himself  Antonio Esfandiari.
     and just for the record would love to play with Jennifer Tilly,
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: Is he the best?:
    In Response to Re: Is he the best? : was there even a point in posting? 
    Posted by percival09
    OK.

    Simsim
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  • watto84watto84 Member Posts: 172
    edited February 2014

    Ivey is good ... no doubt. But I feel that this win does not compare to other pros cashing in larger fields time and time again. I just read a PS blog article about Schemion cashing in all three majors at the last 3 EPTs and so has Selbst. Far more of an achievement beating a bigger field and an winning an actual title rather than beating a field of HR's who basically pass each other’s money around between each other.

    In the last year I would think the top 5 pros repeatedly cashing and playing well would be:

    Schemion
    Selbst
    Seidel
    Negreanu
    O Dwyer

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  • watto84watto84 Member Posts: 172
    edited February 2014
    McDonald and Benefield could be added too.
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  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited February 2014
    Paul Action Jackson should have a big shout out too on current form.  Not only did he take down the grand prix at Dusk 'Till Dawn on Sunday but he took down the much more prestigious forum DTD last night too.  Very well played sir
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