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Folding a set

gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
edited February 2014 in Strategy
2 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £49.75
gazza127 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £53.50
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 9
     
hurst05 Fold        
60nine60 Fold        
1 Raise   £1.00 £1.75 £76.06
kcxyz Fold        
2 Raise   £4.25 £6.00 £45.50
gazza127 Call   £4.00 £10.00 £49.50
1 Call   £3.50 £13.50 £72.56
Flop
   
  • K
  • 9
  • 8
     
2 Check        
gazza127 Check        
1 Bet   £6.50 £20.00 £66.06
2 Call   £6.50 £26.50 £39.00
gazza127 Call   £6.50 £33.00 £43.00
Turn
   
  • J
     
2 Check        
gazza127 Check        
1 All-in   £66.06 £99.06 £0.00
2
All-in   £39.00 £138.06 £0.00
gazza127 ?
Now I know folding a set seems like setting fire to money in a situation like this.  But looking at villain 2s play here its clear he has a very strong hand.... and thats ingoring the fact that villain 1 has shoved.

Villain 2 is quite capable checking with top set here and letting other people fire away, but thats not to say he always has it here.

Just a curious one.  Should we EVER be folding here as we are undoubtably up against two strong made hands?

After all it is cash game strategy ;)

Comments

  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,491
    edited February 2014
    Lead flop? Raise flop?

    Sigh, kick cat, fold turn, apologise to cat and give him a cuddle when we see AK drawing dead  or KJ needing to hit river to set of Jacks??

    Maybe..
  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited February 2014
    I don't like folding sets much, but there are times, and this does look like one. You might be ahead of one of them, but ahead of both? Some how I have to assume not. You had bottom set on flop and still on turn. Only draw that has got there is Q10 and that is unlikely they call flop on a gutshot or preflop for that matter. Given raise and reraise preflop maybe AK vs JJ/kk/99. AA seems unlikely, but posible I guess. Either way I think folding is right, even if you get to kick yourself when they show some dumb as rocks hands at showdown.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2014
    As played think we can fold turn, but I'd probably be raising flop to get it in (KAM99 - we have middle set, not bottom set), and if it happens to be flopped nuts v flopped 2nd nuts.... well that's just cruel.
  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: Folding a set:
    As played think we can fold turn, but I'd probably be raising flop to get it in (KAM99 - we have middle set, not bottom set), and if it happens to be flopped nuts v flopped 2nd nuts.... well that's just cruel.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Wow, not sure how my brain got to him have 88 by the time I typed my post, but that is what I swore he had. lol

    Yeah agree, I check raise with 99 to get it all in too. And still stick withh what I said on as played though, just like you. Can't see us being ahead often against both of them.

    Sorry froro the misread though. :)
  • RyanC7RyanC7 Member Posts: 355
    edited February 2014
    Pretty awful peeling here imo. Basically showing your opponent that you have 88-JJ
  • RyanC7RyanC7 Member Posts: 355
    edited February 2014
    Only 100bb aswell. Defo fold pre, anyone else agree? Like what are you gonna do on 733, c/c give up turn? Mehh just so easy to play against 
  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,410
    edited February 2014
    Overthinking gazza.... we got a set in a 3b pot where the SPR on the flop is 4. Only reason I'm flatting flop is to get this kind of situation on the turn. 
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: Folding a set:
    Only 100bb aswell. Defo fold pre, anyone else agree? Like what are you gonna do on 733, c/c give up turn? Mehh just so easy to play against 
    Posted by RyanC7
    I was gonna say this too but Gazza doesn't like being told to fold pre :)

    Cold calling 3bets 100xBB eff when we're OOP w/ 99 so effectively setmining is never gonna be good.
  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: Folding a set:
    Only 100bb aswell. Defo fold pre, anyone else agree? Like what are you gonna do on 733, c/c give up turn? Mehh just so easy to play against 
    Posted by RyanC7
    yeah and hes not closing the action
  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited February 2014
    I sigh fold pre. Check raise flop. Calling is read dependant on opponents. If there capable of getting it in with worse than us then I think you have to call. It's not the greatest spot but we have under repped our hand. We still have one out! :)
  • 77Chris9177Chris91 Member Posts: 375
    edited February 2014

    Not folding here your hand is super underepped.

    Everyone is saying c/r the flop. I disagree.

    Given the action preflop/flop c/r here is signposting you have a set. As Ryan stated your range is 99-JJ + AQ here. There's no draws to rep and your raising into 2 players. Even a half decent villain is gonna realise you have 88/99 sooo often. Flatting the flop keeps your range tons wider and allows you to get the action you did on the turn.

    I'd be folding AK here if you c/r this flop. (Unless your playing like a bit of a maniac) 

  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited February 2014
    Well I tank called in the end despite villain 2 looking so nutted.

    Villain 1 had 89
    Villain 2 had AA


    Someone perked up about a slowroll... but felt like it was close to a fold.

    Good to see everyones opinion.


    Thanks all.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2014
    too many monsters under the bed Gazza :)


    calling 3 bets 100bb deep and folding sets is so terrible
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