Your just like me kidwiz. ill play any cash tab that's going be it capped or not. But if there are 4 or 5 regs on there ill not waste my money. Call it Bum hunting, call it what u want. As for priority I aint bothered with it no more. IMO there are better promos for non prio members anyway. Posted by NAILS01197
Yea mate i dont blame you why anyone would wanna play on a table with nut peddlers is beyond me and you cant exactly avoid them as there on every table right through the levels.
I wouldnt class it as bum hunting as such more of looking for action more than anything.
One thing i will say tho is a big % of cash players on this site must rely on cash back at the end of month for there big % of profit.
I know they say play for profit which is very true then take the cash for points as a bonus but when you have the same 4+ regs to most tables i cant see how everyone is actually making a profit from nl10 up through to nl100 i would say. , I know im goin off topic here but would love sky to comment if they have actually thought about introducing anonymous tbles to the site?.
In Response to Re: 50nl capped tables : Killing the game is a bit dramatic. Promotes bad play? Really? Why? Isn't it all about choice? Why are these games an issue at all? If it's a problem for you because it takes away the people you want to stack, isn't your comment about bumhunting a bit hypocritical? You concede that the games are in demand but say Sky shouldn't be promoting them. That makes no sense. They're hardly likely to bin games that they get a good return from. Get confused by people bothering about these things. I don't much care for Omaha. I don't think it should be banned though, so that some weak players can come and play Dyms. I'm not convinced that traffic is being taken from standard 50Nl tables anyway. I think the attraction for many is that they know the maximum they llose is £15. Less than one third of anormal 50Nl buy in. They probably wouldn't sit at 50Nl anyway. Posted by Jac35
By killing the normal games I obviously just mean that instead of 6 x 50nl tables running at once we now have a max of 2 going plus 6 x capped tables.
It does promote bad play. Just playing at these tables you can see why. £15 cap lets people be more adventurous with less risk to their entire stack so people get the money in the middle with the oddest spots.
These games are an issue because everyone seems to have shifted from NL to capped... meaning those that want to play NL at 50nl are stuck to one or two tables.
No i do not bumhunt. I just want to play more than 2 tables... so i cant say im being hypocritical at all. Believe me when I say id play on any table quite happily.
No Sky wont bin them if they are doing well. It just sucks as now theres not nearly as much 50nl NL action as there used to be.
Traffic is being affected at 50nl no question. I would say 30 and 40nl are affected as well. Anyone not convinced they are dont play those levels regularly. There are other factors that are bad for traffic, no doubt, but capped tables just arent good for regular games.
In Response to Re: 50nl capped tables : Yea mate i dont blame you why anyone would wanna play on a table with nut peddlers is beyond me and you cant exactly avoid them as there on every table right through the levels. I wouldnt class it as bum hunting as such more of looking for action more than anything. One thing i will say tho is a big % of cash players on this site must rely on cash back at the end of month for there big % of profit. I know they say play for profit which is very true then take the cash for points as a bonus but when you have the same 4+ regs to most tables i cant see how everyone is actually making a profit from nl10 up through to nl100 i would say. , I know im goin off topic here but would love sky to comment if they have actually thought about introducing anonymous tbles to the site?. Posted by kidwiz10
Ive gotta disagree with you here Kidwiz, you use "looking for action" as different way of saying looking for soft games. Also sitting on table with nut peddlers is much more beatable than you think if your smart enough to tweak your game. I can also say from my standpoint that cash for points/rakeback < 15% of my overall profit from cash poker, although i dont grind as hard as some of the other regs. Last month made like 13k C4P and this month propably on to make around 18-20K C4P.
In my experiences with online and live poker for that matter. The guys who ridicule others for being "ABC or "Plays face up" are guys who cant beat the games.
I'm not voicing my approval of these games in particular, I'm just voicing a disapproval at the attitudes of a lot of regs.
Just because you think something is bad for you right now does not mean it is 'bad for the game'. What is bad for the game is 5 regs grinding the game 10 tables all day, taking turns to stack the one fish that bothers to play with them. And that is precisely the reason why capped games are gaining popularity.
"The problem with the capped tabbles are that nobody really wins, it all just gets thrown down the rake shoot. Also they do still get reg filled, just by regs who cant beat the regular 100bb tables." - Bolly
A rec losing money at a slower pace is far better for the game than if they lost £50 to reg1 who withdraws that £50 at the end of the month.
If there are regs filling those games then it's because they are just as sick of the regular games as the recs!
You can argue that the demand is there, yes, but IMO capped isnt the form of poker that sky should promoting. It promotes bad play, you cant apply it to live scenarios and players will find it hard to improve their cash game. Ultimate winner IMO is the rake. Posted by gazza127
It promotes action and FUN. Something the recs cannot get from their clashes with reg1,2,3,4 and 5 on the other tables.
Remember poker for these guys is fun, if they can't get that at normal tables why shouldn't they at these?
There is of course skill to playing 20bb deep, there are many tournament pros who make a very good living using skill with these stacks...
In Response to Re: 50nl capped tables : It promotes action and FUN. Something the recs cannot get from their clashes with reg1,2,3,4 and 5 on the other tables. Remember poker for these guys is fun, if they can't get that at normal tables why shouldn't they at these? There is of course skill to playing 20bb deep, there are many tournament pros who make a very good living using skill with these stacks... Posted by pryce6
Im not denying people the opportunity to have fun and play on capped tables.
But from my point of view... these spawning cap tables are taking all of the traffic from the 50nl tables.
So when I want to play and have what I deem to be fun... I cant, as my game of choice has a fraction of the tables than it used to have.
I tried playing 50nl this afternoon at 3pm and couldnt get a table going. There were two NL tables on the go with another 4 and a bit capped tables.
Noone would sit with me on another 50nl table as I didnt want to be to wait for others to stand.
I gave up.
THAT is why I dislike these ever spawning capped games. I cant play when I like anymore.
In Response to Re: 50nl capped tables : Im not denying people the opportunity to have fun and play on capped tables. But from my point of view... these spawning cap tables are taking all of the traffic from the 50nl tables. So when I want to play and have what I deem to be fun... I cant, as my game of choice has a fraction of the tables than it used to have. I tried playing 50nl this afternoon at 3pm and couldnt get a table going. There were two NL tables on the go with another 4 and a bit capped tables. Noone would sit with me on another 50nl table as I didnt want to be to wait for others to stand. I gave up. THAT is why I dislike these ever spawning capped games. I cant play when I like anymore. Posted by gazza127
I'm going to assume you are a reg because you want to play more than x amount of tables
Games aren't (and won't) run around you anymore. Instead of complaining about games that are clearly popular and other players are enjoying playing, you either need to adjust to those games or find other games that you can beat (elsewhere if necessary).
In Response to Re: 50nl capped tables : I'm going to assume you are a reg because you want to play more than x amount of tables Games aren't (and won't) run around you anymore. Instead of complaining about games that are clearly popular and other players are enjoying playing, you either need to adjust to those games or find other games that you can beat (elsewhere if necessary). Posted by pryce6
I know Sky doesnt revolve around me thanks. Am i not allowed to express an opinion?
7 standard tables/ 2 cap tables running at 50 nl now so cant be too bad a problem. My vote goes for scrapping the cap tables and introducing shallow tables instead. Posted by DeuceAK_47
For every cap table that gets running it stops 4 or 5 standard tables. This is the problem. So the example you give of 7 and 2, wouldn't it be better to have 17 standard tables running.
I wouldnt wanna see the capped tables stopped not everyone wants to play on a table with 4 +regs so these are a good add and hopefully they stay, They must also be popular than the normal tables at times if there is more capped than regular table running.
Just looked at 50nl and 100nl both limits way down on table numbers as 2 capped have got going at both levels. Its even affecting traffic at 30nl and 40nl.
I'm not voicing my approval of these games in particular, I'm just voicing a disapproval at the attitudes of a lot of regs. Just because you think something is bad for you right now does not mean it is 'bad for the game'. What is bad for the game is 5 regs grinding the game 10 tables all day, taking turns to stack the one fish that bothers to play with them. And that is precisely the reason why capped games are gaining popularity. Posted by pryce6
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Same argument that's been going on for ages on here, dyms v standard sngs.
DYMS have been 'anti poker' and 'killing the game' for years apparently.
They're still going strong.............
I think all cash games and mtts shud be scrapped so everyone has to play HU sngs v me.
Not gonna happen.
By killing the normal games I obviously just mean that instead of 6 x 50nl tables running at once we now have a max of 2 going plus 6 x capped tables.
It does promote bad play. Just playing at these tables you can see why. £15 cap lets people be more adventurous with less risk to their entire stack so people get the money in the middle with the oddest spots.
These games are an issue because everyone seems to have shifted from NL to capped... meaning those that want to play NL at 50nl are stuck to one or two tables.
No i do not bumhunt. I just want to play more than 2 tables... so i cant say im being hypocritical at all. Believe me when I say id play on any table quite happily.
No Sky wont bin them if they are doing well. It just sucks as now theres not nearly as much 50nl NL action as there used to be.
That is my only annoyance.
But from my point of view... these spawning cap tables are taking all of the traffic from the 50nl tables.
So when I want to play and have what I deem to be fun... I cant, as my game of choice has a fraction of the tables than it used to have.
I tried playing 50nl this afternoon at 3pm and couldnt get a table going. There were two NL tables on the go with another 4 and a bit capped tables.
Noone would sit with me on another 50nl table as I didnt want to be to wait for others to stand.
I gave up.
THAT is why I dislike these ever spawning capped games. I cant play when I like anymore.
I know Sky doesnt revolve around me thanks. Am i not allowed to express an opinion?
They aren't more popular. A recreational player will sit at the first table they click on at the level they want to play.
Sky have got to ask themselves do they want to lose 5 regular tables rake in exchange for every 1 capped table.
This is a serious problem Sky!!!!