can i be in? played 10 tournaments and cashed in 8 .imo i think thats solid torn poker Posted by Kdanem
If you've cashed in 8 low buyin MTTs (say £1.10 or £2.20) you won't have made enough profit to get anywhere near the top 10 because someone cashing in one £33 buyin Primo will have made more profit than all your's added together. Even if you won all 8 you would only have made about £500 profit whereas someone winning a single Primo will make well over £3000 profit. Now, if they measured total profit as a ratio against total buyin you would have a serious chance of making the top 10. As they only split the cash players into low, medium and high stakes you have no chance if you are paying low stakes MTTs or STTs.
can i be in? played 10 tournaments and cashed in 8 .imo i think thats solid torn poker Posted by Kdanem
If you've cashed in 8 low buyin MTTs (say £1.10 or £2.20) you won't have made enough profit to get anywhere near the top 10 because someone cashing in one £33 buyin Primo will have made more profit than all your's added together. Even if you won all 8 you would only have made about £500 profit whereas someone winning a single Primo will make well over £3000 profit. Now, if they measured total profit as a ratio against total buyin you would have a serious chance of making the top 10. As they only split the cash players into low, medium and high stakes you have no chance if you are paying low stakes MTTs or STTs.
As a personal opinion on this i think that they are looking for Skys BEST player. Not the richest player but the best. Will the high stakes players make up most of the entrants? Yes probably but that goes hand in hand with where they play. To mass a bankroll that can sustain you at £500 or £1000 NL then you either have to be independantly rich at the begining or you have built your roll through skill and time. Stands to reason that these players will be picked and rightly so. Are there good players at lower levels??? Yeah there are great players at lower levels but they are unlikley to be the BEST players, They would have built a roll by now if they were and would be competing at the higher stakes with the guys that have done just that. This is TOTAL PLAYER not TRIED TOTALY HARD AND DID QUITE WELL PLAYER
Thoses high stakes players who are just rich and not very good would not be selected as their Hand Histories wouldn't stack up to show the quality
You made some good points in your post with regards to what a "total player " needs to have ...
However i disagree about the players at the micro levels, as in my experience there are some very good solid players at these levels they just don't have the bankroll, time, or indeed their personal circumstances don't allow them to risk enough cash to actually play at levels where they would possibly make significant amounts of profit.
On the other side i have also played at higher levels myself and just because someone sits and plays at $10/$20 NLH tables this doesn't make them "good players". Often there are as many fish and poor players at these higher levels as there are at the micro ones imho. The saying that "some people have more money than sense" comes into play here as if you think about it someone who can just join a poker site and deposit several thousand pounds is highly unlikely to want to play micro or even medium cash games.
I think the Total Player concept is an awesome idea and i wish all the best of luck to whoever makes it to Vegas .
Having watched several of the shows where the mentors show why they select their "team" i have to say that a large percentage of the plays were pretty easy plays: EG ,Someone holding a pocket pair and hitting trips or the player sat with the nut flush and actually getting action ^^ . I believe there was one who had 4 of a kind and slow played it as you do . I mean come on its very easy to play when you are so far in front is it not?
Finally have to say i love the format and all the banter ,especially from Rich and Tikay. Just a shame Michelle left for pastures new as her and Tikay were a great double act not forgetting that she is also gorgeous lol.
Anyways Happy New Year to you all and all the best of luck on the tables.
I know what u mean about the hands that are shown, but honest it is hard! I was asked to find 5 hands to send in that I thought I had played well, and being a cash player, its hard to find hands which are show-offy, as most of cash is abc stuff. I imagine its the same for the tourny players, who are successful by stealing blinds, nickin small pots, being aggro in position etc etc. - Its hard to find 1 hand which shows off all their skills.
The skill I believe in cash is building an image, and then exploiting it. - cannot be done/shown in 1 hand. Theres hands which play themselves, set over set etc, but these dnt really show off any skills. Its hands where you flop a set, and get the top pair to pay you off, due to the loose/krazy image you have built up throughout the session. - Its really hard to portray this using 5 individual hands.
They look through all the hand histories though, not just the hands sent in, so they will have a good overall idea.
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Now, if they measured total profit as a ratio against total buyin you would have a serious chance of making the top 10. As they only split the cash players into low, medium and high stakes you have no chance if you are paying low stakes MTTs or STTs.
Now, if they measured total profit as a ratio against total buyin you would have a serious chance of making the top 10. As they only split the cash players into low, medium and high stakes you have no chance if you are paying low stakes MTTs or STTs.
Thoses high stakes players who are just rich and not very good would not be selected as their Hand Histories wouldn't stack up to show the quality
Hey Wattie,
I know what u mean about the hands that are shown, but honest it is hard! I was asked to find 5 hands to send in that I thought I had played well, and being a cash player, its hard to find hands which are show-offy, as most of cash is abc stuff. I imagine its the same for the tourny players, who are successful by stealing blinds, nickin small pots, being aggro in position etc etc. - Its hard to find 1 hand which shows off all their skills.
The skill I believe in cash is building an image, and then exploiting it. - cannot be done/shown in 1 hand.
Theres hands which play themselves, set over set etc, but these dnt really show off any skills.
Its hands where you flop a set, and get the top pair to pay you off, due to the loose/krazy image you have built up throughout the session. - Its really hard to portray this using 5 individual hands.
They look through all the hand histories though, not just the hands sent in, so they will have a good overall idea.
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