should i be doing a bigger cbet

craigcu12

craigcu12	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2360.00
smartca627	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1132.50
	Your hole cards	K K
x	Call		30.00	75.00	3352.50
Dospair	Fold
gazza127	Fold
memfno	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		105.00	180.00	2255.00
smartca627	Call		90.00	270.00	1042.50
x	Call		90.00	360.00	3262.50
Flop
		9 K 8
craigcu12	Bet		120.00	480.00	2135.00
smartca627	Call		120.00	600.00	922.50
x	Raise		360.00	960.00	2902.50
craigcu12	Call		240.00	1200.00	1895.00
smartca627	Fold
Turn
		A
craigcu12	Check
x	Check
River
		2
craigcu12	Bet		900.00	2100.00	995.00
x	Call		900.00	3000.00	2002.50
craigcu12

cenachav

Yes.  I'm Cbetting about 275 there with 2 behind depending on my table image.  Depending on my oppo I'm also coming over the top of them when they reraise us.  Only time I wouldn't is if I know they are an aggro nutter and would do the same to us when we lead out on the turn.  I would also lead the turn as there are loads of draws out there now that can pay us off

Lambert180

Definitely.

You should read that post I wrote about bet sizing

This flop contains quite a few of the factors mentioned in there which are reasons to go bigger.

1) we're multi way

2) it's very wet

3) We can assume this flop absolutely smashes the ranges of the preflop peelers.

4) One of them has limped so we can assume they are
      a) bad
      b) passive
      c) probably loose

All good reasons to just go really big for value. I agree with Cenachav that I'm going around 275 ish and I'm 3betting the flop once we get raised.

You missed out on a full double here. If somehow he has a hand that would have busted you, so be it.

THEROCK573

im c betting bigger, im also never checking the turn either, i know hes showed aggression by raising the flop and ur thinking he'll probably continue betting but a decent player will do this with draws and then at times take a free one so im bashing the turn and bombing the river all day long.

craigcu12

could it be that i'm not thinking in the right manner.

when i do the cbets now i normally think of keeping my betting blanced with various hand strengths.

when the board is wet does the size of a cbet vary depending on my hand strength and the amount of danger cards.

THEROCK573

In Response to Re: should i be doing a bigger cbet:

could it be that i'm not thinking in the right manner. when i do the cbets now i normally think of keeping my betting blanced with various hand strengths. when the board is wet does the size of a cbet vary depending on my hand strength and the amount of danger cards.
Posted by craigcu12

you have made top set here, on a wet board, i bet around 2/3 - 3/4 of the pot here not only to build a pot but to charge my opponent more is if hes drawing, now if it came k82 rainbow i would be more inclined to bet around half the pot becuase i want to keep his 99, 1010 type hands still in, this dosent mean my range is unbalanced by doing this. its only unbalanced if ur betting different amounts with made hands to ur bluff hands etc.

TeddyBloat

craig dont worry too much about balance, just try to make money.

you only turn your hand face-up if you vary your bet sizes based only on your actual hand strength. if you vary it on things like board texture. number of players left in the hand, position etc then no-one can glean any info as this information is available to everyone.

he there are mulitlple player involved on a wet board. bets will be bigger here anyway. no-ones bluffing half pot / third pot here, so you'd be going bigger with: monsters, draws, bluffs, made but vulnerable hands.

bet big, you're not giving much info away by doing so.

also you want value before the turn. if a scare card does come then it beats our hand or just as damagingly, kills our action. try to get it in sooner rather than later whilsts people's equities are juicey enough and the board safe enough for them to do so.

craigcu12

after the thoughts you had about my play with that set i've tried to put more thought into it and it seems to have worked

with this hand i decided to do make my bet over 1/2 pot then went much harder on the turn and didn't hand about with this set, he did say he was expecting me to have QQ or 1010, what i will start to remember is expecting hands like this to fold is like expecting KK to fold preflop.

gruntex	Small blind		10.00	10.00	4625.00
jjjach	Big blind		20.00	30.00	4750.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
steelrod	Fold
Sngwizkid	Fold
wolfy7	Fold
cowhead	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		60.00	90.00	5360.00
MOBIUSaa	Fold
monkeylest	Call		60.00	150.00	4900.00
xxrhinox07	Fold
gruntex	Fold
jjjach	Call		40.00	190.00	4710.00
Flop
		10 Q 2
jjjach	Check
craigcu12	Bet		120.00	310.00	5240.00
monkeylest	Fold
jjjach	Call		120.00	430.00	4590.00
Turn
		7
jjjach	Check
craigcu12	Bet		300.00	730.00	4940.00
jjjach	Raise		815.00	1545.00	3775.00
craigcu12	Raise		1630.00	3175.00	3310.00
jjjach	All-in		3775.00	6950.00	0.00
craigcu12	Call		2660.00	9610.00	650.00
jjjach	Show	2 2
craigcu12	Show	10 10
River
		K

this was how i play an overpair on a wet board

xxrhinox07	Small blind		10.00	10.00	4990.00
gruntex	Big blind		20.00	30.00	4980.00
monkeylest	Sit out
	Your hole cards	K K
jjjach	Fold
steelrod	Fold
FlyingDagg	Fold
joe759017	Fold
cowhead	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		60.00	90.00	4940.00
MOBIUSaa	Call		60.00	150.00	4940.00
xxrhinox07	Fold
gruntex	Call		40.00	190.00	4940.00
Flop
		J Q 6
gruntex	Check
craigcu12	Bet		140.00	330.00	4800.00
MOBIUSaa	Call		140.00	470.00	4800.00
gruntex	Fold
Turn
		3
craigcu12	Bet		350.00	820.00	4450.00
MOBIUSaa	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		470.00		4920.00
craigcu12	Return		350.00	0.00	5270.0

the thinking now is that with wet boards the hands i would use to make a more balanced range is the semi bluffs.