In Response to Re: Disillusioned just say for instance he is only ever doing this with QQ,KK,AA, do i not have implied odds if i stack him every time he makes this play or is it still a losing play? also another part of my call was that people who limp raise premiums is a pet hate of mine so if he is doing it with AA i wanna doo them, dont know why i just doo, i get a lot of satisfaction from it, maybe a bit silly and stubborn but its just a game after all and i have more money than sence, ha Posted by THEROCK573
Well, it depends on how much you have to call in comparison to what you have left behind. We flop a set 1 in 7.5 times. So if you are putting in 300 more chips then you would need to win (300*7.5 = 2250) more chips for calling to be BE assuming villain always goes broke. But sometimes there will be a K or A on the flop and QQ/KK might not go broke. Plus there is also the possibility that we both flop a set (or we flop a set but get outdrawn by their higher set) Which is why we really need to be able to win AT LEAST 11 times the amount we have to put in to make the play BE. So if we have to put in 300 then we need to win 300*11 = 3300 more chips. So both us and opponent need that much behind.
And fair enough :P After all poker is about enjoyment as well as winning money so if you get satisfaction from hitting a set vs someone that limp/rr it's no doubt life ev +!
In Response to Re: Disillusioned : like i just said maths is not my strong point thats why i asked the question, id still welcome you at my table though every day of the week, remove the lock on your stats superstar!!! and ive never played you before until this so your limp raising range could be far wider than AA,KK,QQ AND the mighty 72 Posted by THEROCK573
In Response to Re: Disillusioned : lol not half as much as i like having you on mine Posted by robert369
why because i make one mathematical error against you? ivan has my respect as a player and is very clued up on the maths so i take on board what he said and admit ive made a mistake, you though only have mouth in the chatbox to back up ur claims about how good u are, you said ur stats are much better than mine so lets see them, take the lock off or have you something to hide? its funny how your so good yet i never see ur name in garys tournament results section thread.
In Response to Re: Disillusioned : why because i make one mathematical error against you? ivan has my respect as a player and is very clued up on the maths so i take on board what he said and admit ive made a mistake, you though only have mouth in the chatbox to back up ur claims about how good u are, you said ur stats are much better than mine so lets see them, take the lock off or have you something to hide? its funny how your so good yet i never see ur name in garys tournament results section thread. Posted by THEROCK573
i didnt say better than yours, i just said im a profitable player, in relation to games played return on investment
% are prob not my strong point but one % I do know with certainty is that I am 100% happy when I bust someone who's limped Aces Posted by Jac35
sigh, just so you know! i limped under the gun with AA, button raised n rock called in bb, i then potted it up. if pot not re opened obv i proceed very cautiously
just found the hand blinds 10 n 20, i limp 20 button makes it 120 rock calls in bb i pot it, button folds pot is 740 and it is 370 for rock to call. ive already put 25% of my stack in, rock has similar stack
In Response to Re: Disillusioned : sigh, just so you know! i limped under the gun with AA, 2 callers rock raised out of the BB i then potted it up. if pot not re opened obv i proceed very cautiously Posted by robert369
actually thats not correct, dosent make any difference but it was the button who iso'd you. also you did say you had better stats than me so you are just plain lying by saying otherwise, why are they hidden if you are a winning player? poker players like to brag so unless you are a heads up sit and go shark and u dont wanna scare away action i see no reason to hide these wonderfull stats you have!!!
In Response to Re: Disillusioned : actually thats not correct, dosent make any difference but it was the button who iso'd you. also you did say you had better stats than me so you are just plain lying by saying otherwise, why are they hidden if you are a winning player? poker players like to brag so unless you are a heads up sit and go shark and u dont wanna scare away action i see no reason to hide these wonderfull stats you have!!! Posted by THEROCK573
well not entirely,if you have a good read of thr table,and are pretty certain that it is going to be raised by an aggro player stealing then a limp raise is fine,the guy just got unlucky
after reading most of the posts,of the original post,it seems to me that a lot of the players want to play the same,surely playing poker you want to have your indiviuallity,and own style,and also a mix it aswell.if we dont it becomes a game only for bots
Limp raise is so awful. well not entirely,if you have a good read of thr table,and are pretty certain that it is going to be raised by an aggro player stealing then a limp raise is fine,the guy just got unlucky Posted by GAMBLER19
Don't agree with this. Limp raise is playing your cards face up basically. So even if you have some aggro guy at the table, they should/will be aware of your holding should you limp raise them. Should you just raise AA normally, who's to say Mr Aggro won't 3bet us, then giving us the leverage to 4bet and maybe get it in, or just call and let Mr Aggro hang himself....plus if Mr aggro is just on the steal, then you lose all value with the limp raise.
I guarantee you Rock doesn't put another chip in this pot should he not spike the 8. He knows what he's up against, and whether the maths are right or wrong (not my strong point), he knows he's getting the lot should the set fall.
Hand in question probably plays out the same had AA raised pre. But I'd be looking at my own play with the bullets instead of questioning others.
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