i agree with benny as always, poker for me is about my mood, bad mood = bad poker but its hard 2 stop its soooooooooo addictive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! br helps with this tho
I dont get why encouraging good bankroll management can 'lead to players doin their roll' Other factors such as BAD bankroll management and poor play will lead to this. The 'new kids on the block' you refer to that are here today gone tomorrow are gone tomorrow because they dont have bankroll management!!! They have one big result and then jump into super high stakes games, way above their roll and ability and thats the reason they disappear! The swings and variance you mention are all true, which imo is one of the strongest arguments for a bankroll i could think of! You will fade away after losing too much money, if you keep 'taking a shot' when you feel lucky, because the worst thing that could happen is tht you win a tourney when you stepped up the levels and then 'believe' you are new kid on the block and thus go on to donk it all back thinking you are better than you are. I do agree that if you just play for fun then who needs a bankroll, but the original post was asking what bankroll people play with, thus all the replies from the 'experts'. I have a couple of friends that have played poker for years, putting £20 in here and there and have never shown a profit, and have ended up not enjoying the game and thus tilting, and moaning about the dreaded 'bad beat' Now after advice they each deposited £100 into their accounts and they play £5 dym's. They have never enjoyed their poker more, and they are winning!!! Just another perspective. Dan Posted by dantb10
IMO DYM is a rake builder not a bank roll builder. The blinds are steep and there is frequently a shove and hope moment. Playing a MTT for the same amount and cashing once a week is better value and in truth must be better experience than trying not to lose in DYM.
Yes Dan of course alot of what you say is true and I agree with most of what you say but as much as i respect your' wisdom' and play .. you are in the minority when it comes to playing NLH online .. 99.9% lose .. you my friend I admire but then over the last 30years of playing poker I have admired and respected many many players.. most of whom have disappeared from the game.. I wont mention names but at least 4 players who were in the the original series of "Late Night Poker" who i was very good friends with are now skint !!! There are even players who still appear on Sky at interviews who freely admit they have gone skint on several occasions for the exact reason you say 'BadBankroll management" but because they make good publicity they still get sponsorship.. .. There's an old saying, '' The road to Vegas is littered with the corpses of good poker players" ... good luck Dan and keep the faith , maybe you can be my hero .. luv your style buddy )
great posts on here you lot i really enjoyed them.loved yours especially benny.i myself play for fun and when i win (or my dav) its an insta withdrawal.great game poker as long as its enjoyable.debs xx
I understand what your saying mate, and its your wisdom that we admire, keeps us all grounded and i cant help but learn from people with your experience.
I have always said that if i ever won a 'big' tourney 90% would go in the bank to enjoy life,provide for the family and allow me to lead a nice lifestyle. You would still find me grinding the tables at the same limits, but id have the added security of knowing that financially im secure.
I like this thread as it sjows how many people have the management and who dont or play for fun.
Personally i take out X amount each month and the rest is straight into my poker bankroll. Its one of the very simple key sets which make a succesfull poker player sometimes and alot of people under-estimate its worth.
i play for fun... deposit £11 when i fancy a game lol i have built it up to ove £200 a few times, but have had to withdraw to pay bills lol currently £250.. wish i had 2.5k Posted by daz231023
im exactly the same mate! i think i joined sky in january/february time and have never had an actual bankroll and ive done just fine! as the year closes im around 1800 in profit on ere about 700 quid up on ladbrokes and about 1k up from live events at my local casino! (profit that has allowed me to buy some nice luxuries!) I deposit when i fancy a game and withdraw the majority after a nice profit!...ive never really had a roll because i think bankroll is mainly aimed at the players who play the game for a living!..this whole play with '5%' of your bankroll is utter rubbish unless your someone who grinds day in day out on the tables to bring home the bacon! just play with what you can afford to lose and have a bit of fun and if your a good player you shouldnt be losing that often anyway!...Andy
Yes Dan of course alot of what you say is true and I agree with most of what you say but as much as i respect your' wisdom' and play .. you are in the minority when it comes to playing NLH online .. 99.9% lose .. you my friend I admire but then over the last 30years of playing poker I have admired and respected many many players.. most of whom have disappeared from the game.. I wont mention names but at least 4 players who were in the the original series of "Late Night Poker" who i was very good friends with are now skint !!! There are even players who still appear on Sky at interviews who freely admit they have gone skint on several occasions for the exact reason you say 'BadBankroll management" but because they make good publicity they still get sponsorship.. .. There's an old saying, '' The road to Vegas is littered with the corpses of good poker players" ... good luck Dan and keep the faith , maybe you can be my hero .. luv your style buddy ) Posted by bennydip2
Its no surprise these people go broke, the games got tougher, you have to actually be good now to make money. if you dont improve the game will pass you by. I dont even get what youre original post was saying, dont bother with BRM because everyone goes broke eventually? Then in this post you say people go broke due to bad BRM?
If you work on your game and improve its not hard to be part of the "select few" that win consistently.
I play pretty much every night so it works best for me to have a bankroll to play from. If I have a seperate bankroll on sky then the money in my personal account never gets touched. I used to not bother too much with bankroll but the worst thing in poker is having to click that 'deposit funds' button. I decided at the start of the yr I would deposit 3 figures and thats now up to 4 figures but with alot of cash outs along the way. It lets me play 25/50 comfortably and also I can play pretty much any MTT on the site with no worries of not cashing.
Doing this means all the money is going the right way into my personal account rather than 'coming out' (So to speak)
Bankroll ..sigh ??.. If you play poker for a living you need one ...otherwise just play with what you can afford from week to week ... I get fed up listening to the experts encouraging the word "bankroll" it's bolox and can only lead to the majority of players doing their 'roll' .. Over the years, every 2-3 years along comes a few new names, new super stars, but most are here today gone tomorrow by thinking they are the, 'new kid on the block' .. The game of poker is a gamble not a science or a maths equation, the 'swings' or 'variance' determines that very few will make a living.. Sure there are some winners, but 99.9% will lose.especially playing online . I know there will be posts saying how others are winning, but " N L Hold-em" is not a game, it's gambling, it's something you can play for life or fade away after losing to much money.. With poker there is no 'Inside information' the same as with horse racing or dog racing and even then things can go pear shaped...the difference there is, you DO need to gamble from a bankroll and you do need to have inside information for a long term profit... and any bet is maximum 5% of your 'roll' With poker you hear about stepping up the levels ? Again to me, once you know how to play then play with what cash you are comfortable with, and more importantly 'CONFIDENCE" is the key to poker, when you feel your playing well .. 'Go for it' up the anti play a tournament bigger than you normally would.... However when you have things on your mind or everything seems to be going against you with bad-beats .. then take a break or drop to lower stakes .. That's not a science or maths, the game is poker and it's gambling... just play within your own personal limits on a weekly basis and you'll will not only enjoy the game but when you have a win spend it ..you earned it, treat yourself or your family and enjoy the moment ... Above all don't have a 'bankroll' for playing poker , unless 'Your the next kid on the block" For me, I'd rather be on this fellow at Cheltenham in March 2010, than be holding pocket Ace's in the WSOP ,, but then I'm no tipster, I'll leave that to the Poker Experts ) Posted by bennydip2
In Response to Re: Average Bankroll : im exactly the same mate! i think i joined sky in january/february time and have never had an actual bankroll and ive done just fine! as the year closes im around 1800 in profit on ere about 700 quid up on ladbrokes and about 1k up from live events at my local casino! (profit that has allowed me to buy some nice luxuries!) I deposit when i fancy a game and withdraw the majority after a nice profit!...ive never really had a roll because i think bankroll is mainly aimed at the players who play the game for a living!..this whole play with '5%' of your bankroll is utter rubbish unless your someone who grinds day in day out on the tables to bring home the bacon! just play with what you can afford to lose and have a bit of fun and if your a good player you shouldnt be losing that often anyway!...Andy Posted by Eagle26
+1 same here.. i play because i enjoy the game.. no bankroll, just play with extra cash i have at the time.. br is for the pros who grind away day in day out
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Just my perspective.
'' The road to Vegas is littered with the corpses of good poker players" ...
good luck Dan and keep the faith , maybe you can be my hero ..
luv your style buddy
I have always said that if i ever won a 'big' tourney 90% would go in the bank to enjoy life,provide for the family and allow me to lead a nice lifestyle. You would still find me grinding the tables at the same limits, but id have the added security of knowing that financially im secure.
Its cheaper to learn from other peoples mistakes!
Cheers again mate
Personally i take out X amount each month and the rest is straight into my poker bankroll. Its one of the very simple key sets which make a succesfull poker player sometimes and alot of people under-estimate its worth.
If you work on your game and improve its not hard to be part of the "select few" that win consistently.
Doing this means all the money is going the right way into my personal account rather than 'coming out' (So to speak)
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