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PLO8 DYM's - Betting into dry side pots.

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,171
edited December 2021 in Strategy

When is this correct play in a PLO8 DYM?

I see examples such as below every single day. Maybe I've got this wrong, but it seems bad to me.

4 players remain. 

Blinds are (say) 200-400.

Stacks are Mr Medium 1,500.

Mr Big One 5,000

Mr Big Two 5,000

Mr Matt Bates 500. 


The shorty - we have called him Matt Bates - has shoved his 1.25 Bigs all-in.
 
Mr Medium calls.
 
Mr Big One calls.

Mr Big Two calls.

All perfectly reasonable so far.

Flop is 2-3-J, rainbow.

Mr Big One now POTS it. He has J-J-Q-Q, so has flopped top set. He cannot win the low, if it comes, though.

Mr Big Two has A-4, for the nut low draw. But he HAS TO FOLD. He'd be mad to call, & risk his stack v the other big stack.

Mr Medium has 4-5-x-x, for a great low & straight draw. He HAS TO FOLD.  

Mr Matt Bates has 7-8 in his hand, & gets there with his Low.
 

Is it ever correct for Mr Big One to bet there?    
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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,171
    edited March 2014


    So, by Betting there, he has enabled the Shortie to survive.

    The other two CANNOT POSSIBLY call there. That'd be so bad.

    Thoughts, anyone?

    I DO see this daily, usually 4 or 5 times in a typical 30 game session.

    Makes no sense to me, but is there a valid reason to bet, am I missing something?      
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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,171
    edited March 2014


    I should add, that sometimes the guy who (wrongly) bets out has often not noticed the situation, as he is 10 Tabling, or watching the TV or whatever.

    I plead guilty to this on occasion. But some players persist in doing this all the time.

    Why?

    Is there a legitimate reason to bet?      
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    chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    No legitimate reason to bet unless you have the high and low locked up and want to get some extra value. Especially if you and your opponent are big stacks. Maybe if you were both a bit shorter, trying to lock up at least half the pot could be of some benefit.



    another interesting side question...

    hypotheically, and assuming you have no moral considerations: a player makes a move like the one you described above, and you have the opportunity to ask him afterwards why he bet/explain why you think it is a bad play. Is it better to tell them, and hopefully they use "implied collusion" next time round and check it down, or is it better to let them keep making a mistake?



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    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 161,171
    edited March 2014


    I think it is fine AFTER, but it's a bity iffy during the hand.

    In truth, folks pay their entry fee, & can do whatever they like, it's up to them. But, over time, they are costing themselves money. They MUST be.
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