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Skill & Go - confused.com?

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,839
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    Some interesting questions popping up will a DYM player make it to the top 6? its possible, but they would need an extrodinary run IMO. like winning 25/30 DYMS would give you a 52% ROI. that might not even be enough. compare that to a similar standard format run of 10 x wins, 10 x 2nd places from 30 games, gives you an 82% ROI There are some proper sicko DYM players, but i still think we are about 50/50 to get just 1 in the top 6. what ROI will be needed for a top 6 finish? my guess is around 60%, with the winner getting /> 100% TK, have you thought about playing standard PL08 SNGs? - you never know, you might win at them too. My guess is that you avoid them because most of the money is up for grabs when HU... and you suck at HU :) Should TK be allowed to enter? Personally I wouldnt have a problem, some extra value in the SNGs would be welcome IMO :) Average ROI vs Total ROI? its gotta be average ROI right? there is temptation for collusion and other tactics not in the spirit of the promo otherwise.
    Posted by chicknMelt




  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,839
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    Some interesting questions popping up will a DYM player make it to the top 6? its possible, but they would need an extrodinary run IMO. like winning 25/30 DYMS would give you a 52% ROI. that might not even be enough. compare that to a similar standard format run of 10 x wins, 10 x 2nd places from 30 games, gives you an 82% ROI There are some proper sicko DYM players, but i still think we are about 50/50 to get just 1 in the top 6. what ROI will be needed for a top 6 finish? my guess is around 60%, with the winner getting /> 100% TK, have you thought about playing standard PL08 SNGs? - you never know, you might win at them too. My guess is that you avoid them because most of the money is up for grabs when HU... and you suck at HU :)Should TK be allowed to enter? Personally I wouldnt have a problem, some extra value in the SNGs would be welcome IMO :) Average ROI vs Total ROI? its gotta be average ROI right? there is temptation for collusion and other tactics not in the spirit of the promo otherwise.
    Posted by chicknMelt




  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,839
    edited March 2014


    Bye bye Melty.

    BOOM!

    My life is complete.
     
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com? :
    Posted by Tikay10
    come and put me in my place in some standard PLO8 SNGs tonight?? 

    personally, I would quite like out try out some PLO8 SNGs before the challenge starts to see how I get on. not sure I have ever seen any run though.


  • Chris_McChris_Mc Member Posts: 1,340
    edited March 2014
    I will be playing 6 max games at 5.50 and below.....mainly below though.
    not aiming for much just 29 1st s and a 2nd.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,839
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com? : come and put me in my place in some standard PLO8 SNGs tonight??  personally, I would quite like out try out some PLO8 SNGs before the challenge starts to see how I get on. not sure I have ever seen any run though.
    Posted by chicknMelt
    I might do, I need to have a think first.

    The structure is quite different to a DYM.

    DYM, 2,000 chips, 5 minute blinds.
     
    6-Max SNG, 1,500 chips, 7 minute blinds.
     
    The blind increments are totally different, too. A DYM takes 6 levels to reach 100-200, a Six Max SNG takes 4 levels to reach 100-200. No 150-300 in the 6-Max, either.
     
    So how will that affect their "playability", compared to a DYM? Faster, slower, neither?

    You know how I play, very very passive, never raise, or get aggro. Mainly.

    PS - I was having a ball last night, feasting on your BB. Until you caught me out, oops. Most disrespectful, imo, you should fold when I bet.    
     
  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com? : Well yes, "almost". Put it this way, it is so rare to see "bad blood" in the PL8 Table chat-boxes that it always gets noticed, so it must be a rarity.   I can recall less than a dozen nasty chat box incidents in the 3,000 PLO8 DYM's I've played in the last few months. Oddly, & sadly, on another Forum last week, the Sky Poker players were described as the rudest players on any Online Poker Site. I don't buy that at all, but I never argued, there was no point. You generally have to "give action to get action", so some of those who complain about chat-box rudeness are actually the culprits themselves, for being obnoxious in the first place. Think of the Bechham Red Card in the World Cup, if you get my drift.      
    Posted by Tikay10
    u miss lots then tikay .had a lovely chap(he is quite regular on site) in the 1.10 hi/lo tournament yesterday that told me he hoped i got aids or somthing very similar.all over a quid ffs. i understand the game is very frustrating and can make you a bit cranky especially when heads up your opponent keeps hitting the only card that saves them but its a game and it happens.

    but on the whole most are decent people and willing too help or give advice if asked

     looks like a good promo but only 6 winners makes it very tough..

    a quick question played a dym started about 11.20 last night but finished after 12 will that count towards this promo as the game finished after 12?
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com? : I might do, I need to have a think first. The structure is quite different to a DYM. DYM, 2,000 chips, 5 minute blinds.   6-Max SNG, 1,500 chips, 7 minute blinds.   The blind increments are totally different, too. A DYM takes 6 levels to reach 100-200, a Six Max SNG takes 4 levels to reach 100-200. No 150-300 in the 6-Max, either.   So how will that affect their "playability", compared to a DYM? Faster, slower, neither? You know how I play, very very passive, never raise, or get aggro. Mainly. PS - I was having a ball last night, feasting on your BB. Until you caught me out, oops. Most disrespectful, imo, you should fold when I bet.      
    Posted by Tikay10
    you think about things too much

    they play pretty similar in terms of time per game, at least the NLH ones do (going on gut feeling only btw)

    this is strange, I was sure there was a 150/300 level in the NLH SNGs i was playing last night...


    15.00 / 30.007
    225.00 / 50.007
    340.00 / 80.007
    450.00 / 100.007
    575.00 / 150.007
    6100.00 / 200.007
    7150.00 / 300.007
    8200.00 / 400.007
    9300.00 / 600.007
    10400.00 / 800.007
    11500.00 / 1000.007
    12600.00 / 1200.007
    13800.00 / 1600.007
    141000.00 / 2000.007
    151500.00 / 3000.00-
    The PLO8 ones seem to have a different structure...

    110.00 / 20.007
    220.00 / 40.007
    330.00 / 60.007
    450.00 / 100.007
    5100.00 / 200.007
    6200.00 / 400.007
    7300.00 / 600.007
    8400.00 / 800.007
    9500.00 / 1000.007
    10600.00 / 1200.007
    11800.00 / 1600.007
    121000.00 / 2000.007
    131500.00 / 3000.007
    142000.00 / 4000.007
    153000.00 / 6000.007
    165000.00 / 10000.007
    177000.00 / 14000.007
    1810000.00 / 20000.007
    1915000.00 / 30000.007
    2020000.00 / 40000.00-

    20k/40k blinds... is that incase there is some stolen chips brought in from other games??

    I would imagine strategies are fairly similar for DYMs and SNGs - tight early on and agro it up a bit later on.


    yes, i know how you play... play on your tight image to steal my blinds!



  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com? : I might do, I need to have a think first. The structure is quite different to a DYM. DYM, 2,000 chips, 5 minute blinds.   6-Max SNG, 1,500 chips, 7 minute blinds.   The blind increments are totally different, too. A DYM takes 6 levels to reach 100-200, a Six Max SNG takes 4 levels to reach 100-200. No 150-300 in the 6-Max, either.   So how will that affect their "playability", compared to a DYM? Faster, slower, neither? You know how I play, very very passive, never raise, or get aggro. Mainly. PS - I was having a ball last night, feasting on your BB. Until you caught me out, oops. Most disrespectful, imo, you should fold when I bet.      
    Posted by Tikay10
    you think about things too much

    they play pretty similar in terms of time per game, at least the NLH ones do (going on gut feeling only btw)

    this is strange, I was sure there was a 150/300 level in the NLH SNGs i was playing last night...


    15.00 / 30.007
    225.00 / 50.007
    340.00 / 80.007
    450.00 / 100.007
    575.00 / 150.007
    6100.00 / 200.007
    7150.00 / 300.007
    8200.00 / 400.007
    9300.00 / 600.007
    10400.00 / 800.007
    11500.00 / 1000.007
    12600.00 / 1200.007
    13800.00 / 1600.007
    141000.00 / 2000.007
    151500.00 / 3000.00-
    The PLO8 ones seem to have a different structure...

    110.00 / 20.007
    220.00 / 40.007
    330.00 / 60.007
    450.00 / 100.007
    5100.00 / 200.007
    6200.00 / 400.007
    7300.00 / 600.007
    8400.00 / 800.007
    9500.00 / 1000.007
    10600.00 / 1200.007
    11800.00 / 1600.007
    121000.00 / 2000.007
    131500.00 / 3000.007
    142000.00 / 4000.007
    153000.00 / 6000.007
    165000.00 / 10000.007
    177000.00 / 14000.007
    1810000.00 / 20000.007
    1915000.00 / 30000.007
    2020000.00 / 40000.00-

    20k/40k blinds... is that incase there is some stolen chips brought in from other games??

    I would imagine strategies are fairly similar for DYMs and SNGs - tight early on and agro it up a bit later on.


    yes, i know how you play... play on your tight image to steal my blinds!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,839
    edited March 2014


    Just to confirm, the Promo page now states............


    We will measure your level of skill based on the average ROI (Return On Investment) of 30 or more 6 Max Sit & Go’s
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited March 2014

    The NLHE sit and go structures were changed last year, to add the 150/300 level and the 75/150 levels. Seems that the Omaha sng's missed out on that revision. That explains the difference.

    No idea about PLO or PLO8, though, so I'd have no idea how it would affect the play.

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,839
    edited March 2014


    AVERAGE ROI
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    Just to confirm, the Promo page now states............ We will measure your level of skill based on the average ROI (Return On Investment) of 30 or more 6 Max Sit & Go’s
    Posted by Tikay10
    Okee dokee. This is good news.
  • alex1229alex1229 Member Posts: 680
    edited March 2014
    Say you play 120 DYM;s is it your average ROI from all 120, or the best 30 sequence you put together within that 120? I think thats the key thing 


  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,663
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    Say you play 120 DYM;s is it your average ROI from all 120, or the best 30 sequence you put together within that 120? I think thats the key thing 
    Posted by alex1229
    It's the average of however many games you play between the specified dates of the promotion.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,839
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    Say you play 120 DYM;s is it your average ROI from all 120, or the best 30 sequence you put together within that 120? I think thats the key thing 
    Posted by alex1229
    The blurb states.......


    average ROI (Return On Investment) of 30 or more


    So that means ALL of them that you play, as long as you play a MINIMUM of 30.

    Play 30, it'll be based on 30.

    Play 75, it'll be based on all 75.

    Play 200, it'll be based on all 200.


    That's how it reads to me.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,839
    edited March 2014

    A reminder, this Promo begins at 1 minute after midnight tonight, i.e., 00.01, Tuesday 18th March.
  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com? : Promo does not kick in till 18th march m8  so No and even if it was the 18th  today the answer to you question would still be No , as it`s based on the tournament start time.
    Posted by footsie66
    lol i thought it was today thats what happens when up all night :@(
  • gerardirlgerardirl Member Posts: 1,299
    edited March 2014
    Just found an interesting stat on sharkscope.

    Average profit over 100 games leaderboard 2-5 dollar buy in (6 player tables)

    6 max leader has a profit of $2.31 per game and the dym leader only has a profit of $1.78. 

    This backs up what most people have been saying.

    Oh well I think I will still stick with my dyms.

    Ger


  • bigflop1bigflop1 Member Posts: 1,034
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com?:
    In Response to Re: Skill & Go - confused.com? : The blurb states....... average ROI (Return On Investment) of 30 or more So that means ALL of them that you play, as long as you play a MINIMUM of 30. Play 30, it'll be based on 30. Play 75, it'll be based on all 75. Play 200, it'll be based on all 200. That's how it reads to me.
    Posted by Tikay10
    what about 250?
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