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'Away' Etiquette...

SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,663
edited March 2014 in Poker Chat
I have just played a sit 'n' go and got to heads up. The opponent timed out (I assume he was disconnected). Now, I was slightly behind in chips at the point he went away. I folded every hand, asked if he had been disconnected and there was no response, even upon his return a few minutes later. So we had been trading blinds back and forth since.

Then it happened again, and again I waited for a full ten minutes this time, folding and trading blinds. I'm (obviously) still behind at this point, but after ten minutes the guy has not returned. Now, my question is: what is his grace period for disconnection? I can't just fold his big blind all night.

I felt a little bad about it, but I had to finish it off... and by the time I had - about five minutes later - he still had not returned.

Should I have continued to wait? What's the unwritten rule here?
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  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited March 2014
    TBH you gave more time than i probably would.

    HU in the ME id wait longer, but not a SnG.  I'd probably wait about 5-10 minutes in a SnG - enough time to restart a router or a laptop and get back online.  If he was gone longer id assume the problem was more serious and nick some blinds.

    Maybe im just mean, but i cant wait forever hoping he returns... especially when in a SnG you are probably quite shallow and blinds increase fast.
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,663
    edited March 2014
    ...well, the good news is I'm standing at 81.82 roi ;)

    Granted, I'm only three games down, but still...
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited March 2014
    personal choice, there aint no unwritten rule and if there is im not aware of it, i sit down to make money so id just steal straight away unless i knew them from the forum or chatbox.
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,663
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: 'Away' Etiquette...:
    personal choice, there aint no unwritten rule and if there is im not aware of it, i sit down to make money so id just steal straight away unless i knew them from the forum or chatbox.
    Posted by THEROCK573
    Nice to know my chips are safe with you, mate ;)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited March 2014
    In years of playing HU sngs I can't remember a random player ever waiting for me when I've been away.

    I'd need a reason to wait, and when it's a random there's no reason to wait so steal away asap. They will do it to you.

    It evens out.
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  • Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: 'Away' Etiquette...:
    personal choice, there aint no unwritten rule and if there is im not aware of it, i sit down to make money so id just steal straight away unless i knew them from the forum or chatbox.
    Posted by THEROCK573
    This pretty much
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: 'Away' Etiquette...:
    In Response to Re: 'Away' Etiquette... : Nice to know my chips are safe with you, mate ;)
    Posted by Slipwater
    your safe mate. JUST :-)
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited March 2014
    Whilst the promo is on, I'm mashing raise.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited March 2014
    If you don't know them insta button mash imo
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,412
    edited March 2014
    I had this the first night of the SNG promo on my last match. HU and I hadn't seen this guy before. I decided I was going to limp every BTN and check it down. I think I have an advantage HU so don't just want to let the blinds get too big till there is no skill edge. After a while I just thought if the situation was reversed, this guy is probably just going to steal my blinds so I started stealing. Only lasted 2/3 hands tho and then he came back. Ended up losing as well :(
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited March 2014
    Hope you learnt your lesson Ivan. Don't be nice to anyone, ever.




    Ever.
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  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 242
    edited March 2014
    couple of days back my HU opponent was away at the start, and i raised the first hand and took his bb without realising he wasn't there, and then got his sb too. he came back for hand 3 where I raised up the 30 I had took and folded back to him to start the game back off.
     
    if he hadn't of come back I would have given him maybe 5 mins before I blinded him out, so I think what you done was more then courteous.
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  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    Regardless of who it is, or the situation, I would wait long enough for a router/ laptop to restart etc. after that I would be weighing up how fast the blinds are compared to stacks etc, but I general would try and wait at least 5 mins, more if stacks are quite deep or the structure is slow etc. I have done exactly this when playing HU for > £1k, and other occasions.

    C'mon, put the shoe on the other foot... Treat others how you would like to be treated! I would like someone to wait a reasonable amount of time before mashing the raise button.

    I used to be in the same camp as quite a few of you, who would just bet bet bet straight away. I am at the tables to make money after all.

     But after I have been on the receiving end of people waiting for me I changed my mind. It's such a good feeling after being stressed out at a dropped connection wondering if you will even still be in at all, to come back to your full stack. The more people that do it the better IMO. Poker players should be doing all they can to make playing poker a friendly environment. Anything else has to be damaging to the game in the long run??
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,412
    edited March 2014
    Contrary to you chicknMelt, I used to be of the same opinion as you are now but I changed my mind and Dohh's post sums up why:

    In years of playing HU sngs I can't remember a random player ever waiting for me when I've been away. 

    I'd need a reason to wait, and when it's a random there's no reason to wait so steal away asap. They will do it to you. 

    It evens out.I had internet problems quite a bit back when I lived with my parents for a short while a couple months back. Twice I made it to HU in the 22 deepy and twice I got dc'ed and my stack obliterated because of it. More often than not if you are facing a random they are just going to mash away and steal your blinds. We're losing a lot of +ev if in these situations we then wait for the other player...

    I guess another thing to think about though is how reliable is your own internet. Right now, I very rarely suffer from dc problems. Meaning it's unlikely I'm going to be in a situation where I find myself HU and end up dc'ing. So I don't mind waiting if someone dc's. However if I was getting' dc'ed fairly often I'm just going to bash the steal BTN if the opponent is dc'd!
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  • peter27peter27 Member Posts: 1,634
    edited March 2014
    Raise raise raise!

    The aim of the game is to win within the rules, if the other person leaves/disconnects then that's just unfortunate  on their part really, but I show no mercy :p
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  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    ok, so I seem to be in the minority with my view that you should wait at least a reasonable amount of time...

    what about this scenario:

    you are playing on a FT, to be aired live on TV in the near future. You make it to HU.

    shortly after the HU match starts, someone comes up to the other HU player, whispers something in his ear. The other player runs off without saying a word with the person that whispered in his ear. It is not scheduled break.


    the dealer looks puzzled, then looks at you, and asks you what you want to do... what is your response?



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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited March 2014
    I always wait, dependant on speed of the blinds I'd generally give it one full level, if they're not back after that then mash away.
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  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: 'Away' Etiquette...:
    In Response to Re: 'Away' Etiquette... : This scenario sounds like you describing a live game??  So if you are then it`s all on hold till as such time the guy sorts his problems out.
    Posted by footsie66
    Yes, I'm talking about live.

    This is my point, in a live game would you really say to the dealer "play on, its not a break". The dealer would have to deal in the other player and instantly muck his hands because he's not at the table. 

    This is to be aired on TV  dont forget.

    or would you say to the dealer "lets wait and see if he comes back", or something along those lines.

    If you would choose the second "wait" option, why is this different to online?


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  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: 'Away' Etiquette...:
    Online play is in a different stratosphere . So I feel peoples actions are completely different in some aspect I feel This topic been one of them. Live ...face to face values are second to none when  poker play or unforeseen scenarios occur. So I would imagine 99% of the time players will call timeout .
    Posted by footsie66

    yes, exactly.

    online is different, but why? other than you can get away with it without looking like a d!ick in public, and "because most other people do it"

    not good enough excuses for me.


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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,412
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: 'Away' Etiquette...:
    ok, so I seem to be in the minority with my view that you should wait at least a reasonable amount of time... what about this scenario: you are playing on a FT, to be aired live on TV in the near future. You make it to HU. shortly after the HU match starts, someone comes up to the other HU player, whispers something in his ear. The other player runs off without saying a word with the person that whispered in his ear. It is not scheduled break. the dealer looks puzzled, then looks at you, and asks you what you want to do... what is your response?
    Posted by chicknMelt
    I doubt the player would run off without at least saying a word to someone? I mean I'd ask the dealer what happens here and say I'm willing to wait a reasonable time for him to come back. 

    So you ask what's the difference there to online? Because of the unusual situation I would fully expect the other player to do the same if it had been me that needed to run off. Online I do not expect the other player to wait though unless I know them from the forum/real life.
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