I think I could have folded the river on the last one to be honest. I don't think many players at this level are ever representing the flush draw. More a call out of frustration really.
I'm with you m8 in having a nightmare poker - lost all of my March profit in one horrible session. should have finished early to limit losses. usually can do it but not this time. never mind will get it back next time (hopefully) Wrexham also lost against those pesky Mariners! At least Luton managed to turn around a losing position against Dartford and also Southport lost. Wrexham in freefall at moment. not liking it one bit. Macclesfield next - gulp! Well done to Cambridge. you haven't lost in about what 6 games now? Southport next. Please beat them!! Good luck at the tables Posted by walesboy
Thanks mate.
Im sure we'll do a number on southport for you. Fwiw I think Wrexham will be ok this season there's at least four worst teams in the league.
Today has been a very slight improve on the last few days with a small profit of just over a BI. Very disappointing really but at least its a step in the right direction. Nothing interesting to report really just plenty of run bad.
Good result for us last night with 2 of the teams challenging for play offs drawing. Tough game for us away at Kidderminster tomorrow, if we win that then I strongly believe we can pip you for 2nd by the end of the season. Tbh I would settle for just a play off place anyway and def wanna avoid your lot in the semis. Squeaky bum time.......who are you looking to avoid??
Good result for us last night with 2 of the teams challenging for play offs drawing. Tough game for us away at Kidderminster tomorrow, if we win that then I strongly believe we can pip you for 2nd by the end of the season. Tbh I would settle for just a play off place anyway and def wanna avoid your lot in the semis. Squeaky bum time.......who are you looking to avoid?? Posted by waller02
Very much doubt if anyone will be pipping us to second mate ;0).
We've got three pretty straight forward home games but i would say that we could drop points at kiddy, Gateshead and maybe lincoln. I think that we will finish on around 84-87 pts which means you would need at least 19pts from 8 games to over take us, a pretty tough ask.
Form teams such as Halifax or grimsby would be on the top of my list to avoid. Gateshead would be a pain because of the traveling. So i wouldnt mind Braintree, Alfreton, Barnet or maybe Kiddy.
The only concern i have is our lack of available strikers, so we really need Barnes-Homer to come good quickly!!!
So today has been a little better at last. Started off this afternoon with a decent session ending up about 3 BI's to the good. Then this evening and tonight i've played a couple of shortish sessions only adding a few quid to the pot.
Premium hands still seem to be a problem for me. The lucky limpers seem to have the knack of cracking them at the moment but im sure its just a matter of time before they hold up. Overall im feeling much more positive and i hope the worst is now behind me.
So today has been a little better at last. Started off this afternoon with a decent session ending up about 3 BI's to the good. Then this evening and tonight i've played a couple of shortish sessions only adding a few quid to the pot. Premium hands still seem to be a problem for me. The lucky limpers seem to have the knack of cracking them at the moment but im sure its just a matter of time before they hold up. Overall im feeling much more positive and i hope the worst is now behind me. Day 10 + 32.59 Total - 18.90 Posted by habbin
What was it you was saying about premium hands?
I think at the moment one needs to be very careful with the way that you play a premium hand because i echo your sentiment and are beginning to realise why somebody else ranted previously about this very subject because tonight I have been dealt the premium hand of AA's and been outdrawn on both occasions - even to the point where I even decided against playing a pair of JJ's when somebody raised before it was my turn to act.
GL with your bankroll challenge - my one though is at an end - I've had a rotten run of bad luck since thursday and have seen a balance of £2.20 at it's highest, demolished into 20p tonight (mind you also not helped by me entering into 60p DYM and coming 6/6).
Hi Habbin, good to see you getting a bit of traction with the bankroll.
The premiums have been my curse of late and need a bit of a rethink. I don't know if the same applies to you, but a lot of the time I find I get way more 'married' to them when I'm playing against a weaker player.
When I'm facing a reg and they are calling down (or raising me back) I can quite happily release AA/KK on dangerous looking boards and move on to the next hand - but when playing the sort of player that has been in every hand for the last hour and regularly called down the streets with no pair / no draw only to show up with a binked pair on the river... well my mind finds it hard to concede that, say, KK is not going to be good on an A-high flop.
It almost feels like I'm stationing myself in these sort of hands - but then again perhaps it is still right to be betting every street for value and only short-term variance makes the premiums seem 'cursed'?
To be honest i've never felt so down about poker. I've never had such a sustained period of negative variance in my poker life. Just when i think that i've turned the corner it's out-draw after out-draw, suck out after suck out!! I'm down almost 20BI's in just over a week at 10nl which to my mind is unbelievable. Yeah along the way i've made a few mistakes which i hope i've learnt from but in the main its negative variance over and over again and to be honest im not sure that i can be bothered to carry on. There's only so many times someone can turn a straight/flush against a made set or top two, its now getting to the point where it's becoming unbelievable.
To make things even more frustrating the games have been very soft but how do you exploit the lucky limpers, the callers with junk oop and the poor regs if they continually catch cards? I just dont know where to go from here.
If any regs read this and have got some good advice on how to deal with a serious downswing then please do comment, any input would be very welcome.
Going forward
I think i'll give cash one more day and then decide from there what to do. I'm thinking that if i dont feel any better about it after tomorrow then i'll give it a break and just grind some low level Dym's. I've been fairly successful at these over the years and had a couple of those gold star thingy's a little while back. The thing is i dont enjoy playing them as much as cash. The other options would be heads up sngs which i haven't played for years really so i would have to brush up on strategy or tournaments which i have little experience in. So lots to think about.
Maybe i just can't beat cash anymore? i dont know but the last few month's cash wise have been poor compared to the previous few years so i'm starting to wonder.
Some good tournie's 7:15 and 7:45 deepstacks, nice structures with about 100 runners. £1/£2 buy ins.
If you are playing MTT's throw in the freeroll, always the chance of a seat into a big tournie.
HU Sit and Go's are quite decent on here, really soft and the rake is only 5% at £1 and above, so easily beatable.
Mix it up a bit as well as just cash.
How many tables do you play?
Maybe drop 1 (or 2) till your confidence is back up again. Post hand's in the clinic if you are looking for feedback or in here.
I would say don't post coolers, or certainly if you are infrequently. It's not going to help if every time you come in here all you see is losing hands. Don't dwell on them just move on.
The AK hand above, defo 3 bet that pre flop, where villain had 92.
A few suggestions for you as someone who has had a BR challenge and suffered the same as you at cash.
1/ drop the amount of tables. Play four at the most, if you play four then play three. Concentrate on watching players, be disciplined in your hand selection and play pos as much as pos.
2/ don't be afraid to fold pre/post flop. Eg. Raise UTG with KQ, get three bet, fold. Yes you could be passing best hand but your going to be OOP and without the lead.
3/ always reasses you plan for the hand in every street
4/ be patient!! Not saying be a nit but look to play in position and raise/call with hands that suit each situation. Don't raise 65s into just one player OOP because it looks pretty. Play these multiway. Try not to call raises against just one person with these as well. Your not going to hit often and when you do they invariable have little anyway.
5/ start slowly when you first start playing while your mind warms up! It's hard to just jump in straight away
I saw you play the other day in the evening and you seemed pretty solid to me. The hands you posted are all pretty standard bar the last one where you say you could've folded and I probs 3bet the AK then 92 folds. e There seems to be many of us trying NL10 challenges at the moment, including myself:)
Craig posted some good advice. I generally play no more than 2 tables when feeling like this. I religiously make notes whenever I can to keep myself busy. That stops me splashing around with random rubbish through boredom. If I feel in the slightest that I am about to go on tilt or am tilting because my AA and KK's keep getting busted I just shut all tables and leave. I may be being a bit presumptuous but judging from your posts tilt is what seems to have caused most of the buy in losses as those hands posted aren't 100BB's in many cases. I would check your hand histories and try and analyse where things go wrong. If it seems you are losing money hand over fist with overpairs can you do things like slow down, check 1 street rather than feel the need to barrel all 3. That way you lose less when sucked out and still win a nice pot if they're good.
Thanks craig and freshfish for your sound advice, i've taken most of it on board and there are certainly areas of my game that need work.
One thing at 10nl that baffles me is when weak/fishy players and some regs shove when they have the nuts. There seems to be little thought of how to get value for their hand at all. This is something that has certainly caught me out a few times because to me it looks bluffy. I mean why shove the turn after hittng top set, a straight or the nut flush , this to me is generally missing value. Of course there are times when you need to protect your hand but this is something that i have highlighted after going back through my hand history and i have definetly called off way to many value shoves as it were.
A slightly better day
Today has been a slight improvement on recent days, i've managed to lay down several big hands to value shoves which i believe were the correct plays on the day and in turn managed to win just over 4 BI's.
It's been somewhat of a roller-coaster to be honest with the day being split up into four sessions. The first session was largely uneventful i finished just up. The second session was tidy and i gained some momentum only to lose it in the third to a series of out draws. Finally tonight i caught a couple of big hands and made a bit of profit so i'm feeling a bit better about things now.
Again there was plenty of value at the tables and i believe there is certainly good money to be won if i can be disciplined and manage to fold when i'm behind and not let the busting of my beloved aces tilt me!!!!
Thanks craig and freshfish for your sound advice, i've taken most of it on board and there are certainly areas of my game that need work. One thing at 10nl that baffles me is when weak/fishy players and some regs shove when they have the nuts. There seems to be little thought of how to get value for their hand at all. This is something that has certainly caught me out a few times because to me it looks bluffy. I mean why shove the turn after hittng top set, a straight or the nut flush , this to me is generally missing value. Of course there are times when you need to protect your hand but this is something that i have highlighted after going back through my hand history and i have definetly called off way to many value shoves as it were. A slightly better day Today has been a slight improvement on recent days, i've managed to lay down several big hands to value shoves which i believe were the correct plays on the day and in turn managed to win just over 4 BI's. It's been somewhat of a roller-coaster to be honest with the day being split up into four sessions. The first session was largely uneventful i finished just up. The second session was tidy and i gained some momentum only to lose it in the third to a series of out draws. Finally tonight i caught a couple of big hands and made a bit of profit so i'm feeling a bit better about things now. Again there was plenty of value at the tables and i believe there is certainly good money to be won if i can be disciplined and manage to fold when i'm behind and not let the busting of my beloved aces tilt me!!!! Day 14 + 44.72 Total -62.18 Posted by habbin
Kinda contradict yourself somewhat. You question why people shove the nuts yet admit to paying them off regularly!
FWIW, if we shove the nuts (or effective nuts), we don't always need to get called to make it a profitable play. Plus factor in the bluffy/polarising element, and the fact we should be looking for maximum value when nutted, its always better to go bigger.
I think the best thing you can do is make some notes on how you see players (whether so call fish or regs) play nut hands. If you notice the same thing more than once it usually means that they will do this all of the time at this level. VS some people its a snap fold if they raise (can think of a few but can't name obviously), and others its a snap call. I've found note taking to be so much useful at microstakes than when I've played higher as players generally stick to the same approach whenever they play particular hands.
Player A may always check call draws and 2ndP or weaker style hands but never semibluff. He may raise aggressively with TP+ hands. This kind of note taking is far more useful at NL10 and less useful higher up as players vary their play.
Player B may only shove on a 2tone board and you find this to be a flush draw. If you see him do this twice or more it's a pretty good read.
As I said earlier, bottom line is (as far I am noticing is anyway) that many of these players stick religiously to a given style and set betting patterns that if you get them noted these decision you're having trouble with become much easier.
I think the best thing you can do is make some notes on how you see players (whether so call fish or regs) play nut hands. If you notice the same thing more than once it usually means that they will do this all of the time at this level. VS some people its a snap fold if they raise (can think of a few but can't name obviously), and others its a snap call. I've found note taking to be so much useful at microstakes than when I've played higher as players generally stick to the same approach whenever they play particular hands. Player A may always check call draws and 2ndP or weaker style hands but never semibluff. He may raise aggressively with TP+ hands. This kind of note taking is far more useful at NL10 and less useful higher up as players vary their play. Player B may only shove on a 2tone board and you find this to be a flush draw. If you see him do this twice or more it's a pretty good read. As I said earlier, bottom line is (as far I am noticing is anyway) that many of these players stick religiously to a given style and set betting patterns that if you get them noted these decision you're having trouble with become much easier. Wd yesterday and hope it continues:) Posted by freshfish1
Just to clarify i'm not paying off the same people over and over again. I am very much a note taker and after a few hands i generally have a good feel for someones play, the comments above were more of a generalisation of the play i have encountered over the last few days and i certainly dont remember spazzing off too many BI's to the same players.
I guess as much as anything it's been a tilt thing, where i've flopped a made hand and i cant believe random x, y and z have all turned a better hand and i've paid them off surely sometimes its going to be a semi bluff!!! Just variance i guess.
For me i'm not too sure shoving the nuts in a cash game on the flop and sometimes on the turn( taking in to account the stack to pot ratio) is going to be that profitable surely the villian is going to need a very strong holding to call us and we are missing a ton of value from weaker holdings. Just my thoughts fwiw.
Hopefully today will be another successful one and i can keep the momentum going. Right im off to the tables now thanks for reading and contributing.
In Response to Re: Poker diary...................Habbin a mare!!!!!!!!!! : Just to clarify i'm not paying off the same people over and over again. I am very much a note taker and after a few hands i generally have a good feel for someones play, the comments above were more of a generalisation of the play i have encountered over the last few days and i certainly dont remember spazzing off too many BI's to the same players. I guess as much as anything it's been a tilt thing, where i've flopped a made hand and i cant believe random x, y and z have all turned a better hand and i've paid them off surely sometimes its going to be a semi bluff!!! Just variance i guess. For me i'm not too sure shoving the nuts in a cash game on the flop and sometimes on the turn( taking in to account the stack to pot ratio) is going to be that profitable surely the villian is going to need a very strong holding to call us and we are missing a ton of value from weaker holdings. Just my thoughts fwiw. Hopefully today will be another successful one and i can keep the momentum going. Right im off to the tables now thanks for reading and contributing. Posted by habbin
Oh yeah, if there is like a fiver in the middle and someone just shoves their £20 stack in on the flop with the nuts, that is dubious in some instances.
I was more leaning towards turn/river play. If we get to the river with the effective nuts, having been called down, and there is £30 in the middle for example and we have £40 behind....we could 'value' bet £13-£18 or w/e, or we could ship the lot in and see what happens
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Im sure we'll do a number on southport for you. Fwiw I think Wrexham will be ok this season there's at least four worst teams in the league.
Good luck at the tables
The premiums have been my curse of late and need a bit of a rethink. I don't know if the same applies to you, but a lot of the time I find I get way more 'married' to them when I'm playing against a weaker player.
When I'm facing a reg and they are calling down (or raising me back) I can quite happily release AA/KK on dangerous looking boards and move on to the next hand - but when playing the sort of player that has been in every hand for the last hour and regularly called down the streets with no pair / no draw only to show up with a binked pair on the river... well my mind finds it hard to concede that, say, KK is not going to be good on an A-high flop.
It almost feels like I'm stationing myself in these sort of hands - but then again perhaps it is still right to be betting every street for value and only short-term variance makes the premiums seem 'cursed'?
If you are playing MTT's throw in the freeroll, always the chance of a seat into a big tournie.
HU Sit and Go's are quite decent on here, really soft and the rake is only 5% at £1 and above, so easily beatable.
Mix it up a bit as well as just cash.
How many tables do you play?
Maybe drop 1 (or 2) till your confidence is back up again. Post hand's in the clinic if you are looking for feedback or in here.
I would say don't post coolers, or certainly if you are infrequently. It's not going to help if every time you come in here all you see is losing hands. Don't dwell on them just move on.
The AK hand above, defo 3 bet that pre flop, where villain had 92.
I saw you play the other day in the evening and you seemed pretty solid to me. The hands you posted are all pretty standard bar the last one where you say you could've folded and I probs 3bet the AK then 92 folds.
e
There seems to be many of us trying NL10 challenges at the moment, including myself:)
Craig posted some good advice. I generally play no more than 2 tables when feeling like this. I religiously make notes whenever I can to keep myself busy. That stops me splashing around with random rubbish through boredom. If I feel in the slightest that I am about to go on tilt or am tilting because my AA and KK's keep getting busted I just shut all tables and leave. I may be being a bit presumptuous but judging from your posts tilt is what seems to have caused most of the buy in losses as those hands posted aren't 100BB's in many cases. I would check your hand histories and try and analyse where things go wrong. If it seems you are losing money hand over fist with overpairs can you do things like slow down, check 1 street rather than feel the need to barrel all 3. That way you lose less when sucked out and still win a nice pot if they're good.
Good luck and hope things turn round for you:)
FWIW, if we shove the nuts (or effective nuts), we don't always need to get called to make it a profitable play. Plus factor in the bluffy/polarising element, and the fact we should be looking for maximum value when nutted, its always better to go bigger.
Player A may always check call draws and 2ndP or weaker style hands but never semibluff. He may raise aggressively with TP+ hands. This kind of note taking is far more useful at NL10 and less useful higher up as players vary their play.
Player B may only shove on a 2tone board and you find this to be a flush draw. If you see him do this twice or more it's a pretty good read.
As I said earlier, bottom line is (as far I am noticing is anyway) that many of these players stick religiously to a given style and set betting patterns that if you get them noted these decision you're having trouble with become much easier.
Wd yesterday and hope it continues:)
I was more leaning towards turn/river play. If we get to the river with the effective nuts, having been called down, and there is £30 in the middle for example and we have £40 behind....we could 'value' bet £13-£18 or w/e, or we could ship the lot in and see what happens