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Struggling with Dry Flop's (When playing with larger pairs)
GaryLaud
Member Posts: 535
Here's a scenario I am struggling with and happens to me a fair bit.
I am dealt my cards to discover I have a good pair (EG A's Q's, K's, J's Etc) I have often heard about people stating that the standard raise is 3x BB's, which I often do (Am I raising TOO small?) I don't want to raise too large here because if I end up having to fold my hand AFTER my hefty raise, ESP early on in a S&G or MTT, then I ATM as I am new I often find it difficult to rebuild a small stack.
IF I do get a caller, (Which sometimes does occur) and a flop comes, I am quite often finding the flop ends being dry (EG 2,7,10). I am finding it very difficult to continue my hand when I get somebody open the betting in early position or UTG (EG 400 bet vs BB of 50) when all I can see is Ny-on ZILCH on the board, or at best the OPPY has potential for 2x Pair vs my Pocket Pair?
What actions do I take in these scenario's? It's really making me feel bad at the moment when I am opening with pocket pairs only to be enforced to fold them against people BIG-BETTING me after the flop - which leaves me on a real downer of a situation (See above)
SECOND Q
I am often getting tempted to play hands EG A-10 or J-K or K-Q, do I:-
FOLD
CALL the openng bet (ESP if it's just a limp to match the BB's)
RAISE (I am sometimes raising these hands, maybe only 3x BB's)
Could the size of my raises be something which is giving me the problem?
Any help with these scenario's is appreciated, hope this doesn't make too tricky reading.
Comments
If you have AA and it comes T 7 3, why are you thinking about folding to a single bet?
He shouldn't really call pre flop with any hand that makes 2 pair on that flop.
T7, T3, 37 are all folds pre flop to a raise.
What is much more likely is that he has AT/KT/QT/JT/9T, all of which are reasonable hands to call a raise with pre, and which will like the flop enough to bet.
And we beat them all.....
We should never be folding the flop in this situation.
*ahem*,..Yes....well. Shouldn't doesn't extend to everyone's vocabulary does it?
I am dealt my cards to discover I have a good pair (EG A's Q's, K's, J's Etc) I have often heard about people stating that the standard raise is 3x BB's, which I often do (Am I raising TOO small?) I don't want to raise too large here because if I end up having to fold my hand AFTER my hefty raise, ESP early on in a S&G or MTT, then I ATM as I am new I often find it difficult to rebuild a small stack.
Surely you are not going to fold AA and KK to a hefty raise preflop? Surely we want a hefty raise so we can come over the top? With QQ and JJ it depends but if you have a short stack and this happens you jam over the top 100% of the time.
Gary said:
IF I do get a caller, (Which sometimes does occur) and a flop comes, I am quite often finding the flop ends being dry (EG 2,7,10). I am finding it very difficult to continue my hand when I get somebody open the betting in early position or UTG (EG 400 bet vs BB of 50) when all I can see is Ny-on ZILCH on the board, or at best the OPPY has potential for 2x Pair vs my Pocket Pair?
If you are the preflop raiser and you have position after the flop when someone donks (bets) into you and you have this type of hand you should raise nearly 100% of the time barring some exceptional read that he only does this with 2Pair or better. FWIW most players when out of position will check raise with hands this strong on the flop.
As mentioned earlier, the guy betting mostly has a hand weaker than yours here so raising is correct.
Gary said:
SECOND QI am often getting tempted to play hands EG A-10 or J-K or K-Q, do I:-FOLDCALL the openng bet (ESP if it's just a limp to match the BB's)RAISE (I am sometimes raising these hands, maybe only 3x BB's)
If they open limp and you have any of these hands in position preflop just raise the pot. If you are OOP pre you can call or just check.
If they are very tight and raise from early position just fold either in or out of position.
If they are loose (and fold to cbets a lot) and you are in position you can consider re-raising and then lead on the flop.
Just some basic principles to get you started but as many others will say, your every move will be specific opponent dependant as no two players play the same, so do your best to take notes whenever you can in order to help you make the best possible decisions.