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What to do with an overpair in a 3 way pot facing donk bets?
freshfish1
Member Posts: 127
Quite an interesting hand here and am interested in peoples thoughts on both my own play, villains play and your own suggestions.
Here is the hand as played so far (I'll reveal some more after a few responses):
Hero?
From what I had observed so far, villain 1 is loose and likes to make donk bets with a range of hands from absolutely nothing to top pair type hands. Hadn't seen them donk monsters as yet. Villain 2 is the shorter stack and somewhat of an unknown.
My target in this hand is really Villain 1 as he has the full stack and is somewhat loose. Hoped he has the jack here. When villain 2 comes along should we continue the trap or raise flop? The turn as played is a complete brick and further evidence to support my view he has the jack as I don't think he would "double donk" with air. So what's the best play here?
Here is the hand as played so far (I'll reveal some more after a few responses):
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Villain 1 | Small blind | £0.05 | £0.05 | £19.95 | |
| Big blind | £0.10 | £0.15 | £21.23 | ||
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| * | Fold | ||||
| Hero | Raise | £0.35 | £0.50 | £45.72 | |
| * | Fold | ||||
| Villain 2 | Call | £0.35 | £0.85 | £10.76 | |
| Villain 1 | Call | £0.30 | £1.15 | £19.65 | |
| * | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| Villain 1 | Bet | £1.20 | £2.35 | £18.45 | |
| Hero | Call | £1.20 | £3.55 | £44.52 | |
| Villain 2 | Call | £1.20 | £4.75 | £9.56 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| Villain 1 | Bet | £2.38 | £7.13 | £16.07 | |
From what I had observed so far, villain 1 is loose and likes to make donk bets with a range of hands from absolutely nothing to top pair type hands. Hadn't seen them donk monsters as yet. Villain 2 is the shorter stack and somewhat of an unknown.
My target in this hand is really Villain 1 as he has the full stack and is somewhat loose. Hoped he has the jack here. When villain 2 comes along should we continue the trap or raise flop? The turn as played is a complete brick and further evidence to support my view he has the jack as I don't think he would "double donk" with air. So what's the best play here?
Comments
Great post, I must have been losing a ton of money through incorrect responses to donk bets!
I suppose it comes down to how loose and aggressive villain 1 has been - is this the first time you've played him or have you built up notes over multiple sessions?
I always credit donk bets, especially multiway, with the villain having at least some sort of made hand or obvious draw (which can be ruled out in this example) and there are very few players I've seen rock up with complete air (although are far easy to just call down in this sort of hand).
That puts him on a bare J, a 7 or (less likely) JJ - or any complete air hand.
What has happened previously when villain 1 has had his donk bets raised? Does he tend to fold to any aggression or happy to station off? I think I almost always flat the turn and let him bluff the river - potentially raising the river for value and feeling sick if getting raised!
Villain 2 does add an interesting dynamic. With no reads you probably have to credit that he also has a piece of the flop, which then, unless villain 1 has air, increases the chance that one of them holds a 7 (as it is slightly less likely they both have a jack.)
The downside to raising is that it feels like we end up getting shoved on by either player (and hating life) or folding out bluffs a lot of the time - which makes it seem like a poor play.
Great post, I must have been losing a ton of money through incorrect responses to donk bets!
No probs, hopefully we can get some good input there:)
I suppose it comes down to how loose and aggressive villain 1 has been - is this the first time you've played him or have you built up notes over multiple sessions?
Played a bit and his donking range is pretty wide, whether or not in multiway pots. He could easily have any other pp here from what i've seen him do.
What has happened previously when villain 1 has had his donk bets raised? Does he tend to fold to any aggression or happy to station off?
He will fold most of his range to a raise (apart from tp type hands or better) and has on some occasions continued if u flat.
Villain 2 does add an interesting dynamic. With no reads you probably have to credit that he also has a piece of the flop, which then, unless villain 1 has air, increases the chance that one of them holds a 7 (as it is slightly less likely they both have a jack.)
Villain 2 does make the hand more interesting, particularly with just a call. I think in these spots it's sometime easy to have your eye on one player and can easily forget about the other one:)
You're spot on about telegraphing my hand here ott. General consensus seems to be to just flat turn. As played I bloated the pot for reasons suggested above and got it wrong. But as suggested, if I check and he jams, I should still be (sigh)calling?
It's when you get cold called out of the small stack that alarm bells should ring, especially after clicking it back.