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Full House Outdrawn by Quads, Did I get this wrong?
GaryLaud
Member Posts: 535
Had a run of heavy losses so am sat here analysing at the moment. One of my biggest losses recently came when I ran a full-house into QUADS! I think my play generally in the early stages was fine, where I checked on the BB and checked again when I missed the flop. On the turn my oppy limped in, and I raised over the top of them, and shoved the rest of my chips in later on when I had a full house. Could I have done anything to spot the hand they had and ran away, or was I just plain unlucky as I was really expecting a win from a full-house (Thinking oppy had 2x pr a set or something like that)
Hand History #767428600 (21:37 15/04/2014)
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Th | Small blind | £0.02 | £0.02 | £1.57 | |
| GaryLaud | Big blind | £0.04 | £0.06 | £0.79 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| c | Fold | ||||
| V | Fold | ||||
| T | Fold | ||||
| Th | Call | £0.02 | £0.08 | £1.55 | |
| GaryLaud | Check | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| Th | Check | ||||
| GaryLaud | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| Th | Bet | £0.04 | £0.12 | £1.51 | |
| GaryLaud | Raise | £0.08 | £0.20 | £0.71 | |
| Th | Raise | £0.08 | £0.28 | £1.43 | |
| GaryLaud | Call | £0.04 | £0.32 | £0.67 | |
| River | |||||
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| TheWicked1 | Bet | £0.16 | £0.48 | £1.27 | |
| GaryLaud | All-in | £0.67 | £1.15 | £0.00 | |
| Th | Raise | £1.02 | £2.17 | £0.25 | |
| Th | Unmatched bet | £0.51 | £1.66 | £0.76 | |
| Th | Show |
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| GaryLaud | Show |
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| Th | Win | Four 5s | £1.53 | £2.29 | |
Comments
Just means if you are going to win, you win more money.
You're still losing to any J, any pair 88+ and the case 5, no need to go broke here.
Most players when they sit down at cash will have 100 big blinds (£4). Having 79p 20bb's it's going to be really difficult to win and we will a lot of the time end up losing this 80p as opposed to winning, we have a lot less manouverability.
Preflop, blind on blind, we have a good strong hand (when the small blind has just called), it is a nice spot to raise
because 1) we can win the pot there and then 2) it builds the pot, and if he calls, a lot of the time we can win the pot on later streets in position
On the flop, we should continuation bet here (again gives him the chance to fold)
On the turn, (as played) when he leads into us for a min bet, we min raise.
There 2 main reasons we want to raise 1) For Value or 2) As a bluff to try and win the pot, by getting our oppo to fold a better hand.
When you min raise here, it's not a bluff, so looks like you are doing it for value.
We have to think what hands will be call with? Any 5x is beating us any jack is beating us, so it's a nice spot to just call on the turn.
When he bets 16p on the river, at best all we should be doing is calling. When we raise we are only going to get called by worse.
77 on a 555J board is not the best of hands (even thought it is a full house).
Try and think what our opponents can have. Say the board was 5557J, then 100% i love jamming the river (for value) because so many worse hands can call.
Just try and keep it as simple as possible. Try and put a wee plan together when you are playing a hand, and if you think you have the best hand go for value.
Good idea posting your hands, it will give you a better understanding of situations how things play out.
If you want to play a bit for experience, have you ever tried the free play tables?
I don't think there is anything wrong with buying in short when you are first starting out.
If we figure the minimum buy in to be 80p then you suddenly only need to have £40 for a 50BI bankroll (versus £200 if you are buying in for £4). In turn that makes it a bit easier to not play with 'scared money' as you (should be) less scared about going broke when you are properly rolled for any given buy in.
It is also a good learning tool for cash as you MUST play tight aggressive when you buy in short. Limping is a no-no, you can't consider set-mining, middling connectors don't factor in your range, you VERY rarely bluff and when you do it is very simple / semi-bluff - you just play premium hands pre flop and always come in with a raise, often involving getting all-in pre flop.
In turn, that removes any tricky decisions post-flop - which can come later once you've mastered pre-flop, increased your bankroll a bit and can migrate to buying in for 100BB (£4).
This is obviously exploitable by better players, but this is NL4 we're talking about and there are always loose maniacs around that will pay off nitty play... especially when they see it only costs them 80p out of a £4 stack and will often gamble almost any two cards.
I think a lot of people fail to remember that nearly everyone starts out at poker as a losing player, and this is only natural and perfectly normal. When you bust your first few MTT's, and spew off a few buy ins at cash, it's basically the sharp end of poker learning curve that will always cost you a few £££ up front. Essentially, you're paying for the experience of playing poker. That experience, coupled with improving at the game and studying up, should hopefully lead to improved results.
For want of a better analogy, if I wanted to learn to play the piano, then I'd have to pay for a lesson and go from there, I couldn't just sit down and hope to play like Elton John. If you want to learn the game of poker, inevitably it is gonna cost you initially, but with a bit of progression you'll get it all back and then some.