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Master Cash 2nd January - Make Your Play TWO
Tikay10
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This time, Blinds are £0.50 £1, & it's 6 handed again.
Villain (MP) has £129.85, Hero (BUTTON) £71.
Hero has Ah-5H
Villain makes it £3 to play, Hero CALLS (comment?). Everyone else runs for cover.
Flop Td-6c-5s
Villain Bets £5.50, Hero CALLS. (comment?)
The Trip-tastic-Turn is 5c
Td-6c-5s-5c
Villain now makes it £13.50
Hero.......
Calls?
Raises?
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Comments
Dont mind the call pre in position drawing to the nuts in a deep stacked cash game - However the fellas playing below the max buy in. As its against 1 opponent I would probably raise here(or fold), if thered been a raise, and 2/3 callers when the action got to me, Im happy to call and see a flop.
Question....
Im raising here. I wanna get some money in the pot, as its brought the flush draw, Im not so worried about calling and letting my opponent hit a flush, thats not even entered my mind. By CALLING, and allowing a third club to come, this makes it less likely Im gonna get full value for my hand on the river!
I put myself in my oppos position, hes probably got me on a weak 10 on the flop, if I flat the turn as well, hes got to consider I may be on a back door flush draw here, and will slow down if a scare card (10 or club) comes on the river!
A raise here, his overpair still looks pretty strong, and I could well get all the money in the middle with one card still to come, and quite confident Im gonna stack him.
DOHH
I absolutely despise the call preflop if we are playing our cards. If this is a case of playing ATC against a weak post flop player then great but I've got a dreadful feeling Hero ha called thinking (I've got an Ace and thank the Lord, it's suited, here comes my flush....). If we want to play this junk we have to raise to give us more options on how to win the hand.
Oh well, rant over. We've sucked out on the turn but we are not home a dry in this hand. We have trips on the lowest card on the table so a Ten on the river would worry us. I think it's clear however that other than AT (pos KT or maybe JT if Villain is an internet kid) that the villain has an overpair. He would have us rightfully no where near the five and will instead be worried about a house against him (worrying we have pocket tens). However overpairs are very difficult to muck as they are so hard to get. If we raise here I feel we'll get a call and a value bet on the river will also be called.
So in conclusion, charge for the house draw and extract value on the overpair in most cases. There is no point not trying to build the pot here as if villain has air they are unlikely to triple barrel the river so I don't think trapping is the correct option
if i make call pre and hit my 5 on flop im raising the c bet on the flop..
once i hit trips on turn i call the £13.50 and hope he fires again on river then push
I've voted for raising, and i would pot it or push the lot in here, why, there is more than 50% of your stack in the pot, at this time and would be worth taking it down here and now, and if your playing this hand like this,(a positional call) then what more do you want. An opponent betting into you, and a fairly dry board. On the turn you are only behind to 10 10, 66, 65,10 5. I wouldnt put them on that range apart from a pair of tens and if they've got that then so be it.
If you play this hand thus, the what more do you require. Personnally, i either raise on the flop or get out at that time, by calling the flop you're commiting yourself to the pot, after the turn.
col
DOHH
col
Noooo not more robots and calculators and poker machines, technival terms and that dreaded abbreviation EV!
Am I the only one that believes that the real game of poker is played in the head? Its a game of psychology and cards, representation, bluff, image, courage and logic!
Sure the maths are important in poker up to a point, but theres words I continually use on this forum such as feel, instinct, gut feeling, gut reaction, which I feel are much more important. Courage is so important to trust all these!
I had this debate with someone earlier in the week, about typing a situation into a calculater, and it figures out the optimum play! - I mean cmon!! - This is real, we've been given a position and asked to 'make a play' - No calculators allowed lol.
Not saying the call is wrong fella. Game of styles, and my style would be to raise.
DOHH
I agree that you do lose out to a certain amount, but with the flush draw also coming on the turn, it is qiute possible that he could now be semi bluffing with ak, aj, of the flush suit. Therefore i am happy to take the pot here and increase my stack by £25, so if he gets the impression that i have a monster so be it.
In my opinion, we tend to think that we need to maximise EVERY hand and forget sometimes that, in this case our hand is vunerable so little and often is just as sweet.
col
However, generally, i would raise here for the same reasons as DOHHHHHHHHH
On the flop we are essentially "floating" (I believe that's what the kidz call it) with the added bonus of possibly making a hand.
The turn card is "wonderland". I raise here every time. As Dohhhhhhh has said, it's not related to the possible flush scaring me - the point is that it will scare our opponent and we won't get value. Our opponent is unlikely to think that the 5 helped us so we are likely to get called if he has the overpair. If we just smooth we are unlikely to get much more value on the river.
If we raise the turn, we really only lose value if our opponent has double barrel bluffed and is going to fire on the river too.