Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, we won't have a Brit at the final table again this year. Craig McCorkell was bust in the unlucky (but still superb) thirteenth place when he shoved from the button for his final 4m and was called by Mark Newhouse. Craig had K5 suited, Newhouse had A9 and when the board double paired, Newhouse's Ace played as a kicker. McCorkell picked up $441K for his week's work. 18 Scott Mahin 17 Andrey Zaichenko 16 Eddy Sabat 15 Thomas Serra. Jr 14 Oscar Kemps 13 CRAIG McCORKELL 12 Christopher Greaves 11 Maxiillian Senft Then after combining for an unofficial FT, 10 Luis Vellador That leaves us with an official final table, and Newhouse is therfore on consecutive November Nines. That must be one of the biggest achievements in modern live poker. A fuller update later Posted by FCHD
Maxally, I had most of that typed up to accompany my last post, but this forum software is beginning to tilt me the amount of times you think you've posted something and it loses it. Three times that happened to me this morning.
There is one more post to come later tonight, a brief who's who of the final table.
Maxally, I had most of that typed up to accompany my last post, but this forum software is beginning to tilt me the amount of times you think you've posted something and it loses it. Three times that happened to me this morning. There is one more post to come later tonight, a brief who's who of the final table. Posted by FCHD
Handy tip -
If you haven't been on the site for a little while then select one of the three tabs (Cash Games, Sit & Go, Tournaments) as they log you straight out if you've exceeded the timeout - unlike the Community tab which doesn't! So you can log back in and reset the timer. As I link directly into Community (on my browser 'favourite') that's the first thing I do. Saves getting kicked out mid-post.
And thanks for all the work putting this thread together, it's been a fantastic read. Cheers!
It's not being timed out (well it was once) it's clicking the "add post" button and then getting no notification whatsoever that anything has gone wrong, coming back next time to do an update and noticing the previous one is missing.
I've usually got my reports saved as .txt files before I copy & paste them and format them within the forum, but this morning I started out on my home laptop and then worked on a public network machine at work (before my contracted hours of course) so I didn't have the original posting to hand.
It doesn't happen on either of the other two forums (non poker) on which I am active, just on this one.
It's not being timed out (well it was once) it's clicking the "add post" button and then getting no notification whatsoever that anything has gone wrong, coming back next time to do an update and noticing the previous one is missing. I've usually got my reports saved as .txt files before I copy & paste them and format them within the forum, but this morning I started out on my home laptop and then worked on a public network machine at work (before my contracted hours of course) so I didn't have the original posting to hand. It doesn't happen on either of the other two forums (non poker) on which I am active, just on this one. Posted by FCHD
Sure, same root cause though. I'm just in the habit of ENSURING I'm properly logged in using my method above - if I've had a session open previously that *may* have now exceeded the timeout, because I know if I stay in the Community bit it'll kick me out after a few minutes (if timeout exceeded). It's just pretty awful forum software to be honest. Of course when you first start a session (opening browser and visiting site for the first time for example) you have to login anyway.
Nine players that most people in the UK won't know an awful lot about (with the possible exception of Mark Newhouse). One point to make is that it is a remarkably balanced final table with no runaway chip leader and no really short stack
Chip leader is Jorryt van Hoof, the second year in a row a Dutch player has made the November Nine. van Hoof, who is a major online cash winner, made a decision at almost the last minute to travel to Vegas to play the Main Event. He plays just under the levels tracked by high stakes databases so he perhaps isn't as well known as he should be.
Felix Stephensen is 2nd, a 23 year old Norwegian pro (right in the age range of the last 5 or 6 Main Event winner). He is an on-line high stakes PLO player but doesn't have much live tournament experience
Third is Mark Newhouse, making him the first player to make back-to-back Final Tables since Dan Harrington a decade earlier. He finished 9th last year, and of course is hoping to do a lot better this November. He also has a WPT title to his name.
Spaniard Andoni Larrabe is the baby of the bunch, but has been online since he was 18 and has 2 SCOOP titles and also won a PCA event in 2013.
Middle of the pack is the only Las Vegas player, Dan Sindelar. He was the chip leader for parts of Day 7 and will doubtless have lots of the local pros railing him come November. He has lots of WSOP cashes but this is his first in the Main Event
William Pappaconstantinou as I may have mentioned earlier must have got the ESPN caption designers working overtime as to how to fit his name into the graphics. He has been a world foosball champion and is the only proper amateur at the final table.
Will Tonking was around the lower end of the chip counts all day, and was the shorty on the Final Table bubble but managed a double up and then held on with a playable stack. Went up several levels in my book by likening his situation to that in the movie "Hoosiers"
Eighth is the Swedish representative Martin Jacobson. He has been up among the top ten or so most of the way and probably has as much live experience (alongside Newhouse) as anyone at the FT, with over $5 million of recorded live cashes
And the short stack - Bruno Politano. In the absence of a British rail, the vocals in the Penn & Teller theater will be a Brazilian rail. He is the first player from Brazil to make the Final Table and has already hugely exceeded his previous lifetime cash total.
Seat draw & Chip stacks 1 William Pappaconstantinou USA 17,500,000 2 Felix Stephensen Norway 32,775,000 3 Jorryt van Hoof Netherlands 38,375,000 4 Mark Newhouse USA 26,000,000 5 Andoni Larrabe Spain 22,550,000 6 William Tonking USA 15,050,000 7 Dan Sindelar USA 21,200,000 8 Martin Jacobson Sweden 14,900,000 9 Bruno Politano Brazil 12,125,000
ive always wondered. when deals are made, is there any paperwork involved because of the huge amount of money or is it simply on the strength of a handshake? its probably a stupid question...
ive always wondered. when deals are made, is there any paperwork involved because of the huge amount of money or is it simply on the strength of a handshake? its probably a stupid question... Posted by robertod
Not in the UK, no, they just verbalise it, shake hands, & that's that. No contracts, no bits of paper, nothing. The sums involved in the UK, of course, are much smaller.
The situation in the USA is MUCH different though, & even more so in the WSOP Main, because of the huge sums involved, & also the winnings of USA residents are taxed. Ignoring the tax situation, the huge sums involved mean some sort of Legal arrangement would be advisable.
The Tax thing results in some odd situations. When a Vegas MTT is chopped up 3 or 4 ways, it almost invariably gets arranged & agreed that the Brit (or non USA player) is credited with being the winner, & "officially" takes first prize, as the American players don't want to be shown as the Winner, as it will mean they pay more tax than if they are officially 4th or 5th.
Going back a few years, this very tax thing caused a right hoohah when Jamie Gold won the WSOP main. He had a partner/staker, & they had a mighty falling out over who paid the tax. I believe his winnings were "frozen" behind the Rio Cage for nearly a year, whilst it was resolved. It was all very messy indeed.
One very realistic scenario this year is the fact that there are 4 Europeans in the November Nine, of whom 3 live in London, & presumably therefore don't pay tax on poker winnings.
So, say, if it got Heads Up between an American Pro & a London-based player, it would be worth, literally, a 7 figure sum to "do Business" such that the London-based guy was credited with the win. It might be that it finishes with the USA guy winning it, the European guy 2nd, but they pre-agree a deal that the European chap takes the $10 Milly winners purse, then divvies it up after. There's no way the USA guy will fancy paying tax on 10 Milly.
On a related note, last year, in one of the Rio Daily Deepstacks, the last 4 or 5 players decided to chop it up. The Prize pool was several hundred thousand. Many Cardrooms, The Rio included, do not want anything to do with these deals. So the Top 4 or 5 decided to do business, & once it ended, they all had to go to the cage, collect their "official" prize money, then return & divvy it up between them. Except the official winner, having agreed a 5 way chop, then did a runner with the cash, & was never seen again.....
Incidentally, I've done these "chops" in G-Luton hundreds of times, & there has never been a spot of bother. The numbers were a tad smaller though.
Seat draw for the November Nine, now it's almost upon us.
1 Billy Pappaconstantinou (USA) 17.5m 2 Felix Stephensen (NOR) 32.8m 3 Jorryt van Hoof (NED) 38.4m 4 Mark Newhouse (USA) 26.0m 5 Andoni Larrabe (ESP) 22.5m 6 William Tonking (USA) 15.1m 7 Dan Sindelar (USA) 21.2m 8 Martin Jacobson (SWE) 14.9m 9 Bruno Politano (BRA) 12.1m Stephensen, Larrabe & Jacobson are all listed as now living in London. Larrabe is the youngest at 22, with Stephensen at 23 and all the others between 27-31 (van Hoof & Politano are 31)
There is 1h35m left of Level 35, with blinds at 200K & 400K an ante of 50K. Newhouse has the button
Fairly quiet first dozen or so hands, Larrabe seems to have been getting cards, but when he got AA and van Hoof & Newhouse had AQ and A10 respectively, a single C-bet scared them both off. Newhouse got most of this pre-flop chips back a few hands later with JJ against a decent ace of Larrabe which checked most of the way down after a low flop.
OK, so we've finally seen a few interesting hands, culminating with the last hand of the level.
First decent sized pot in hand 30 - Larrabe with AQ against Jacobson's KJ on a J-10-4 flop, Larrabe took the lead with the Ace on the turn. Jacobson check-called the flop and the turn, and we saw a river of a 2, no flush draws anywhere, went chec-check on the river to move the Spaniard up to 4th (with a net gain of 4m chips on that hand) nd drop Jacobson to the short stack.
Next hand Stephensen raised with pocket sixes folded through to Sindelar on the button who had nines. Flop of K-10-3, Stephensen bet 1.5m, Sindelar paused and then called. Turn 7, both checked, a second 10 on the river. Stephensen (in full hoody and shades mode) checked, Sindelar checked behind and picked up the pot.
Stephensen tries to bully the amateur Pappas with Q2 against Pappas's pocket 8s in a board reading 5-4-A-K. Pappas is having none of it and check-calls. Another Pappas check, Stephensen fires again (4m) putting Pappas to the test for a huge chunk of his stack and this time he gives it up. Just about the first bluff of the night, giving him a marginal chip lead
An all-American confrontation with Sindelar opening with 6-5 suited, called by Tonking with A-9 suited. Neither of their flushes come in as the board comes 3-2-6, Sindelar's bet is called and the Tonking goes in from as an Ace drops on the turn. Tonking leads 2.3m, Sindelar thinks a little and then folds.
van Hoof (K-10) on the button to 1m, Larrabe (9-8) calls from the Big Blind. Interesting flop of 10-J-9 rainbow. Larrabe checks, van Hoof bets 1.4m, quickly called. Turn is a King, giving van Hoof 2 pairs. Larrabe goes to his stack and cuts out a bet of 3.35m with 4 to a straight on the board, van Hoof calls. 7 on the river to give Larrabe the low end of the straight. He checks, van Hoof reps the Queen and goes all in which forces the Spaniard to snap fold the best hand
The break means it's easy for me to decide that that's it from me for a while, lightweight that I am I've got to grab a few z's before work in the morning.
Newhouse first out. Shoves the river (10m) on a 24J4J board with 1010, sending Tonking into a mini tank before finding the call with QQ (not sure on pre flop action)
Could've checked behind obviously but seems he knew he was behind and a decent/reputable river card to rep. Esfandiari cooing about the move in the commentary whilst Tonking was thinking.
Comments
There is one more post to come later tonight, a brief who's who of the final table.
If you haven't been on the site for a little while then select one of the three tabs (Cash Games, Sit & Go, Tournaments) as they log you straight out if you've exceeded the timeout - unlike the Community tab which doesn't! So you can log back in and reset the timer.
As I link directly into Community (on my browser 'favourite') that's the first thing I do. Saves getting kicked out mid-post.
And thanks for all the work putting this thread together, it's been a fantastic read. Cheers!
I've usually got my reports saved as .txt files before I copy & paste them and format them within the forum, but this morning I started out on my home laptop and then worked on a public network machine at work (before my contracted hours of course) so I didn't have the original posting to hand.
It doesn't happen on either of the other two forums (non poker) on which I am active, just on this one.
Of course when you first start a session (opening browser and visiting site for the first time for example) you have to login anyway.
Nine players that most people in the UK won't know an awful lot about (with the possible exception of Mark Newhouse). One point to make is that it is a remarkably balanced final table with no runaway chip leader and no really short stack
Chip leader is Jorryt van Hoof, the second year in a row a Dutch player has made the November Nine. van Hoof, who is a major online cash winner, made a decision at almost the last minute to travel to Vegas to play the Main Event. He plays just under the levels tracked by high stakes databases so he perhaps isn't as well known as he should be.
Felix Stephensen is 2nd, a 23 year old Norwegian pro (right in the age range of the last 5 or 6 Main Event winner). He is an on-line high stakes PLO player but doesn't have much live tournament experience
Third is Mark Newhouse, making him the first player to make back-to-back Final Tables since Dan Harrington a decade earlier. He finished 9th last year, and of course is hoping to do a lot better this November. He also has a WPT title to his name.
Spaniard Andoni Larrabe is the baby of the bunch, but has been online since he was 18 and has 2 SCOOP titles and also won a PCA event in 2013.
Middle of the pack is the only Las Vegas player, Dan Sindelar. He was the chip leader for parts of Day 7 and will doubtless have lots of the local pros railing him come November. He has lots of WSOP cashes but this is his first in the Main Event
William Pappaconstantinou as I may have mentioned earlier must have got the ESPN caption designers working overtime as to how to fit his name into the graphics. He has been a world foosball champion and is the only proper amateur at the final table.
Will Tonking was around the lower end of the chip counts all day, and was the shorty on the Final Table bubble but managed a double up and then held on with a playable stack. Went up several levels in my book by likening his situation to that in the movie "Hoosiers"
Eighth is the Swedish representative Martin Jacobson. He has been up among the top ten or so most of the way and probably has as much live experience (alongside Newhouse) as anyone at the FT, with over $5 million of recorded live cashes
And the short stack - Bruno Politano. In the absence of a British rail, the vocals in the Penn & Teller theater will be a Brazilian rail. He is the first player from Brazil to make the Final Table and has already hugely exceeded his previous lifetime cash total.
Seat draw & Chip stacks
1 William Pappaconstantinou USA 17,500,000
2 Felix Stephensen Norway 32,775,000
3 Jorryt van Hoof Netherlands 38,375,000
4 Mark Newhouse USA 26,000,000
5 Andoni Larrabe Spain 22,550,000
6 William Tonking USA 15,050,000
7 Dan Sindelar USA 21,200,000
8 Martin Jacobson Sweden 14,900,000
9 Bruno Politano Brazil 12,125,000
Payouts
1. $10,000,000
2. $5,145,968
3. $3,806,402
4. $2,848,833
5. $2,143,174
6. $1,622,080
7. $1,235,862
8. $947,077
9. $730,725
Right, that's me done until November. See you then!
Good luck 2 the commentators saying that!lol
Excellent work FCHD.
Look forward to the November updats:)
Can't help thinking that some sort of "business" will be (covertly) agreed in advance.
The situation in the USA is MUCH different though, & even more so in the WSOP Main, because of the huge sums involved, & also the winnings of USA residents are taxed. Ignoring the tax situation, the huge sums involved mean some sort of Legal arrangement would be advisable.
The Tax thing results in some odd situations. When a Vegas MTT is chopped up 3 or 4 ways, it almost invariably gets arranged & agreed that the Brit (or non USA player) is credited with being the winner, & "officially" takes first prize, as the American players don't want to be shown as the Winner, as it will mean they pay more tax than if they are officially 4th or 5th.
Going back a few years, this very tax thing caused a right hoohah when Jamie Gold won the WSOP main. He had a partner/staker, & they had a mighty falling out over who paid the tax. I believe his winnings were "frozen" behind the Rio Cage for nearly a year, whilst it was resolved. It was all very messy indeed.
One very realistic scenario this year is the fact that there are 4 Europeans in the November Nine, of whom 3 live in London, & presumably therefore don't pay tax on poker winnings.
So, say, if it got Heads Up between an American Pro & a London-based player, it would be worth, literally, a 7 figure sum to "do Business" such that the London-based guy was credited with the win. It might be that it finishes with the USA guy winning it, the European guy 2nd, but they pre-agree a deal that the European chap takes the $10 Milly winners purse, then divvies it up after. There's no way the USA guy will fancy paying tax on 10 Milly.
On a related note, last year, in one of the Rio Daily Deepstacks, the last 4 or 5 players decided to chop it up. The Prize pool was several hundred thousand. Many Cardrooms, The Rio included, do not want anything to do with these deals. So the Top 4 or 5 decided to do business, & once it ended, they all had to go to the cage, collect their "official" prize money, then return & divvy it up between them. Except the official winner, having agreed a 5 way chop, then did a runner with the cash, & was never seen again.....
Incidentally, I've done these "chops" in G-Luton hundreds of times, & there has never been a spot of bother. The numbers were a tad smaller though.
1 Billy Pappaconstantinou (USA) 17.5m
2 Felix Stephensen (NOR) 32.8m
3 Jorryt van Hoof (NED) 38.4m
4 Mark Newhouse (USA) 26.0m
5 Andoni Larrabe (ESP) 22.5m
6 William Tonking (USA) 15.1m
7 Dan Sindelar (USA) 21.2m
8 Martin Jacobson (SWE) 14.9m
9 Bruno Politano (BRA) 12.1m
Stephensen, Larrabe & Jacobson are all listed as now living in London.
Larrabe is the youngest at 22, with Stephensen at 23 and all the others between 27-31 (van Hoof & Politano are 31)
There is 1h35m left of Level 35, with blinds at 200K & 400K an ante of 50K. Newhouse has the button
1st prize is $10m
2nd $5.1m, 3rd $3.8m, 4th $2.8m, 5th $2.1m, 6th $1.6m, 7th $1.2m, 8th $947K and 9th $730K
Cards go in the air at 4:30 local time, Monday 10th November which I believe is 11:30 UK Time.
van Hoof still big stack, Politano still the shorty (although Tonking was relegated to that point at one point)
First decent sized pot in hand 30 - Larrabe with AQ against Jacobson's KJ on a J-10-4 flop, Larrabe took the lead with the Ace on the turn. Jacobson check-called the flop and the turn, and we saw a river of a 2, no flush draws anywhere, went chec-check on the river to move the Spaniard up to 4th (with a net gain of 4m chips on that hand) nd drop Jacobson to the short stack.
Next hand Stephensen raised with pocket sixes folded through to Sindelar on the button who had nines. Flop of K-10-3, Stephensen bet 1.5m, Sindelar paused and then called. Turn 7, both checked, a second 10 on the river. Stephensen (in full hoody and shades mode) checked, Sindelar checked behind and picked up the pot.
Stephensen tries to bully the amateur Pappas with Q2 against Pappas's pocket 8s in a board reading 5-4-A-K. Pappas is having none of it and check-calls. Another Pappas check, Stephensen fires again (4m) putting Pappas to the test for a huge chunk of his stack and this time he gives it up. Just about the first bluff of the night, giving him a marginal chip lead
An all-American confrontation with Sindelar opening with 6-5 suited, called by Tonking with A-9 suited. Neither of their flushes come in as the board comes 3-2-6, Sindelar's bet is called and the Tonking goes in from as an Ace drops on the turn. Tonking leads 2.3m, Sindelar thinks a little and then folds.
van Hoof (K-10) on the button to 1m, Larrabe (9-8) calls from the Big Blind. Interesting flop of 10-J-9 rainbow. Larrabe checks, van Hoof bets 1.4m, quickly called. Turn is a King, giving van Hoof 2 pairs. Larrabe goes to his stack and cuts out a bet of 3.35m with 4 to a straight on the board, van Hoof calls. 7 on the river to give Larrabe the low end of the straight. He checks, van Hoof reps the Queen and goes all in which forces the Spaniard to snap fold the best hand
The break means it's easy for me to decide that that's it from me for a while, lightweight that I am I've got to grab a few z's before work in the morning.
Could've checked behind obviously but seems he knew he was behind and a decent/reputable river card to rep. Esfandiari cooing about the move in the commentary whilst Tonking was thinking.
Come on Cornish, sleep when you're dead