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What to do in this situation?
This hand is from the £2.20 @ 2:20 deepstack.
I'm happy with my actions pre-flop, not entirely sure about how to play this post-flop though. I raised 3/4 of the pot purely because I was scared that another diamond would give the opposition the flush (wanted him to fold). Then again, doesn't a big raise like this make it obvious that I'm not interested in the flush or straight?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| GaryQQQ | Small blind | 75.00 | 75.00 | 3320.00 | |
| lea116311 | Big blind | 150.00 | 225.00 | 22565.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| acerimm | Fold | ||||
| GrumpusLOL | Fold | ||||
| eamonn1959 | Raise | 450.00 | 675.00 | 10437.50 | |
| peter27 | Call | 450.00 | 1125.00 | 9660.00 | |
| GaryQQQ | Fold | ||||
| lea116311 | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| eamonn1959 | Check | ||||
| peter27 | Bet | 843.75 | 1968.75 | 8816.25 | |
| eamonn1959 | Fold | ||||
| peter27 | Muck | ||||
| peter27 | Win | 1125.00 | 9941.25 | ||
| peter27 | Return | 843.75 | 0.00 | 10785.00 | |
Comments
I wouldn't be betting this flop to try and get a fold. It's highly unlikely the villain has flopped a straight or flush, so I'd be betting for value, but also for protection of course. Numerous turn cards can kill our action.
Board texture means we should be betting pretty big. If villain holds either the A or 10d then you're gonna get value from them. Any 2 pair will also come along for at least a street.
We're playing pretty deep, in position, and our hand is super underrepped, so you could maybe, just maybe, make a claim for checking the back the flop after he doesn't c-bet. But you'd need to have the discipline further down the line should the run out be a little funky. But generally if you smash a flop like this on a wet board, just start piling the chips in.
Sometimes they just don't have a hand to call with.
By the way, if we'd 3bet pre flop to maybe 1100 and got a customer, you could look to play for stacks much easier
Hmmm, it is unlikely they flopped a straight or flush, but like you said "numerous turn cards can kill our action" and that's why I felt like I needed to take down the hand just then - maybe I could have done a big raise (but not all-in) like you said. I guess I went with the safer strategy.
In Response to Re: What to do in this situation?: That surprises me - what if the flush draw or straight draw comes on the turn? We'll more than likely lose the hand, isn't that losing potential value? That's why I feel like we need to take the hand down there and then.
I'm trying to understand what I should do if this situation comes up again, and from what I've gauged from your comments it sounds like I should be raising a flop like that with a bet somewhere between 1/2 pot and 3/4 pot? I don't quite understand why that would be effective in the long run though, surely you'd just end up losing a lot of hands?
Pre flop.....we have QQ on the button. Pot control is the last thing on my mind tbh. We should be 3betting our button regularly anyway, so QQ is right at the top of our range. If we get 4bet then we can act accordingly (table/player dynamics etc). If he calls our 3bet and an A or K falls, then we should still bet it generally. A lot of the time we'll just take the pot down as an A or a K falls into our range quite nicely. If we get resistance, then we can use our positional advantage to control the hand.
We should not be looking to take this hand down there and then on the flop IMO sir
you do talk alot of sense these days nuggy. you make good contributions to hands and explain ur thought process very well and it takes alot to impress a nobhead like me. did you have a bang on the head or something? its hard to believe its the same person who talked so much plop a few months back :-)
In Response to Re: What to do in this situation?: Okay, got it! Thanks Matt, very helpful :-)
In Response to Re: What to do in this situation?: Very useful post, especially the section about playing my position, cheers!