In Response to Re: £40 to £1,040.... dev's 2nd DYM challenge....(current b/r £92.62) playing £1 games only atm Monday 21/7/14 new painting posted. : I wouldnt fold KK on level 1 big raise from me Posted by spinky6108
So would I if I thought I was getting the right odds to win with them.
I think folding KK there personally is too nitty.... However if you feel you have an edge at that level and do not want to risk it all I can understand. At that level though I snap and expect to see a had like 66 through 1010 and yeah Ax suited
I think folding KK there personally is too nitty.... However if you feel you have an edge at that level and do not want to risk it all I can understand. At that level though I snap and expect to see a had like 66 through 1010 and yeah Ax suited Run well fella Posted by Nuggy962
thanks m8,
yeah, i think folding kk is nitty but getting called by AX and losing 4 in a row sucks.
i believe i have an edge at this level so yeah, if i need to fold i will as moving all-in is always a gamble and not always the best or only option.
In Response to Re: £40 to £1,040.... dev's 2nd DYM challenge....(current b/r £92.62) playing £1 games only atm Monday 21/7/14 new painting posted. : Probably, but having just lost 4 times in a row with kk i thought i'd play them diferently this time. suposedly being an apporox 70% favourite on each hand v AX & losing 4 in a row is just a joke imo, like i'm going to win the next 30 times or so with them to balance the books so to speak. I've already made my feeling clear in the past about KK so i don't want to rake up old ground again here. Posted by devonfish5
What happened before shouldn't alter the way you'd play a premium pair. If you got your chips in pre with KK vs Ax then you've absolutely done the right thing, regardless of the result.
If you'd had AA cracked 4 times previously, would you have folded the bullets to a single raise pre flop?
I genuinely can't see a justification to fold KK in the first level of a DYM. Cashing in said DYM isn't a justification.
What's all this I hear about folding KK pre to a single raise?
As you say, you have an edge at these stakes. THIS is your edge! Whilst others are playing QJ, Ace 9, K10 against 5x raises, you're playing KK. I appreciate the tight is right philosophy in the early stages but this is taking it too far. What hands are you playing early on?
Yes, getting to the bubble is number 1 on the agenda but how many chips we have when we get there is equally important. There's a player at the £22's and above who will make the bubble in just about every Dym he plays. He is a huge losing player.
I take his blinds relentlessly. For every time I have to fold to his shove I'll pick up his blind 50 times. He will reach the bubble with say 800 chips and then have to double twice just to get parity with the other players. That is hard to do.
From the thousands of games you've played you know it's all about the long term. So what if you've lost recently a number of times with KK v Ax. It's all about making the right decision.
Last night in the main I lost a huge pot when a guy open shoved utg and I had KK. He had AJ and won the pot.
If I play the main again tonight and the same situation arises, I will still be snap calling.
In Response to Re: £40 to £1,040.... dev's 2nd DYM challenge....(current b/r £92.62) playing £1 games only atm Monday 21/7/14 new painting posted. : What happened before shouldn't alter the way you'd play a premium pair. If you got your chips in pre with KK vs Ax then you've absolutely done the right thing, regardless of the result. If you'd had AA cracked 4 times previously, would you have folded the bullets to a single raise pre flop? I genuinely can't see a justification to fold KK in the first level of a DYM. Cashing in said DYM isn't a justification. Posted by hhyftrftdr
Fair points mate,
KK is a weaker hand than AA by far though imo, as any old ace beats you, as i've shown.
i don't see the urgency to get all my chips in especially on levels 1 2 3 & even 4. atm.
of course there are days & times when i do get them in, and yes i do win & lose doing this, as we all do.
i am simply trying a diferent approach with my kk only hands atm, so the AA scenario is pretty irrelevent here.
if i have an edge in my play then there is absolutely no need to take these risks at these early levels.
of course notes on players dictate every move i make.
if i can get to the bubble with around a thousand chips or more which is my primary goal for every game, then i feel i can use my edge v 3 opponents & cash more often then 2 times out of 3 which is all i need to do to win.
I like to think i play a little diferent to most dym players, whether that be a goog thing or a bad thing.
I apreciate your post & comments. i am by no means the perfect player, and i have learnt of at least two leaks in my game recently, which i was unaware of until one was pointed out to me, and the other i found out for myself.
if this is another leak then so be it, but it is not something that i consider to be of any great importance atm.
maybe next week or next month i will be going aipf again with KK maybe i won't only time will tell.
I have only done this kk fold once btw, on the back of 4 losses, and only posted it here as other players at my table were shall we say shocked to say the least, and i just wanted to give my reasons for doing this, which i feel i have, regardless of whether it's right or wrong mathematically.
The only thing that matters is that my b/r keeps moving forwards, and i will take whatever steps i feel are necessary at any particular time, as is the case here.
This isn't a popularity contest i'm in, it's my challenge to get from £40 to £1040 the best way i see fit.
Hi Ian I'm glad the challenge is going well. What's all this I hear about folding KK pre to a single raise? As you say, you have an edge at these stakes. THIS is your edge! Whilst others are playing QJ, Ace 9, K10 against 5x raises, you're playing KK. I appreciate the tight is right philosophy in the early stages but this is taking it too far. What hands are you playing early on? Yes, getting to the bubble is number 1 on the agenda but how many chips we have when we get there is equally important. There's a player at the £22's and above who will make the bubble in just about every Dym he plays. He is a huge losing player. I take his blinds relentlessly. For every time I have to fold to his shove I'll pick up his blind 50 times. He will reach the bubble with say 800 chips and then have to double twice just to get parity with the other players. That is hard to do. From the thousands of games you've played you know it's all about the long term. So what if you've lost recently a number of times with KK v Ax. It's all about making the right decision. Last night in the main I lost a huge pot when a guy open shoved utg and I had KK. He had AJ and won the pot. If I play the main again tonight and the same situation arises, I will still be snap calling. Gl mate (nice pics by the way) Posted by Jac35
Thanks Paul,
appreciate you taking the time & effort to post mate.
yes, i know what you are saying is right and yes i should be doing what is mathematically the right thing to do...long term, which i probably do 90%+ of the time, or i'd like to think i do anyway.
we are talking about 1 occasion here and at the £1 level at that.
of course at the £5 £10 levels it's a diferent game as it is between nl4 & nl50 at cash.
i think i've explained my reasons why i did this in my above post so no need to go over it again.
the point here is i've lost 4 games in a row playing kk and yes, i'm upset over it, so i've decided to not go aipf with them for one game here & probably the next few days or so, or however long i decide.
Nice to see people getting as tilted about the KK thing as I did when I discussed it with Ian in the clinic last year. Must not get drawn in!!!!!!!! Nice work on (and off) the tables Dev Posted by DOHHHHHHH
In Response to Re: £40 to £1,040.... dev's 2nd DYM challenge....(current b/r £89.92) playing £1 games only...still. : Thanks Paul, appreciate you taking the time & effort to post mate. yes, i know what you are saying is right and yes i should be doing what is mathematically the right thing to do...long term, which i probably do 90%+ of the time, or i'd like to think i do anyway. we are talking about 1 occasion here and at the £1 level at that. of course at the £5 £10 levels it's a diferent game as it is between nl4 & nl50 at cash. i think i've explained my reasons why i did this in my above post so no need to go over it again. the point here is i've lost 4 games in a row playing kk and yes, i'm upset over it, so i've decided to not go aipf with them for one game here & probably the next few days or so, or however long i decide. Posted by devonfish5
Christ, I'm tempted to start playing some low stake DYM's if I know you're just gonna bin KK pre for the foreseeable
I don't know you as such, but I know you're an experienced player. These KK comments are the type of thing you'd expect to read from a new player to the game who can't handle Ax getting there.
I'd hazard a guess that not getting KK AIPF in any format of the game (without very concrete reads, and the odd exception), would be a leak.
In Response to Re: £40 to £1,040.... dev's 2nd DYM challenge....(current b/r £89.92) playing £1 games only...still. : Christ, I'm tempted to start playing some low stake DYM's if I know you're just gonna bin KK pre for the foreseeable I don't know you as such, but I know you're an experienced player. These KK comments are the type of thing you'd expect to read from a new player to the game who can't handle Ax getting there. I'd hazard a guess that not getting KK AIPF in any format of the game (without very concrete reads, and the odd exception), would be a leak. Good luck regardless Posted by hhyftrftdr
thanks hhyftftdr
You are most welcome to join me mate, ha ha.
i'm not getting in to the kk thing again, i've said my reasons, and that's that.
If a player came up to you and said they'd folded KK pre in the first level of a DYM because they'd lost the last 4 times they had KK....what would be your advice for that player?
PS. The paintings are cracking! My drawing is about as good as my poker
But I would def re raise to around 300 or 400, if villan then shoves I call all day long. If he has AA I just shrug shoulders and reg for another. A? you are 80% fav.
From my experience some people think AQ, AJ, AQ, 1010, JJ are the nuts
If you had QQ I would even see a flop with this hand, also notes very important.
Anyway, nice going dev coming along nicely. By the way you can still use the old tables if you want. I use them find them much more stable.
Just as a last thing Dev.... If a player came up to you and said they'd folded KK pre in the first level of a DYM because they'd lost the last 4 times they had KK....what would be your advice for that player? PS. The paintings are cracking! My drawing is about as good as my poker Posted by hhyftrftdr
Good question, & thanks re my paintings.
fold them for the next 4 games & see how you get on?... maybe
i don't know, it's a hypothetical question, isn't it, and who am i to give advice to anyone.
I'm just a low level dym player who just happens to be able to win a few bob due to having played lots & lots of dym's in the past, and found a winning formula that works for me, if that included folding kk pre-flop, then so be it. as to how long it lasts is anyone's guess, and only I will know, unless it happens to leak out.
it could last a few days or weeks, I will decide if & when i play them again.
I had the KK debate 2 years ago on my last challenge with Dohhh & Lambert180 mainly, where i went through folding KK pre-flop, after a bad run of losing with them, not dissimilar to now, and I made my feelings clear then & that hasn't changed.
I don't particularly care what anyone else thinks on the matter now, as I know what they think anyway, as they went out of their way to tell me, & I don't suppose they really care about what i think either, or what i do with them.
i'm playing dym's at the kiddies level & winning, what's the big deal about me folding KK pre-flop... 1 time.
I could train my cat 'Tilley' to win at this level if i wanted to...probably be better with the mouse too, ha ha
I play my way and always have and always will. this post will hopefully be my last on this subject. I am here for one reason and that's to win a thousand pounds...hopefully, not to justify how i play my kk or any other hands.
I hope this doesn't come across too badly, and I am not out to offend anyone, either yourself Dohhh or Lambert180 or anyone else, who know more about poker than I ever will, but it's not them paying my £1.15 entry money each game, it's not them folding kk pre-flop, it's all about me, isn't it. It's not them going through my pain of losing 4 games in a row to the premium hand killer which is AX. I know i'm wrong to fold them statistically, but i'm not a statistic... i'm a number & that number is number 5.
I would, At least call the 100 chips to see a flop. But I would def re raise to around 300 or 400, if villan then shoves I call all day long. If he has AA I just shrug shoulders and reg for another. A? you are 80% fav. From my experience some people think AQ, AJ, AQ, 1010, JJ are the nuts If you had QQ I would even see a flop with this hand, also notes very important. Anyway, nice going dev coming along nicely. By the way you can still use the old tables if you want. I use them find them much more stable. Love the pics Posted by stuarty117
Thanks Stuart, (guessing that is your name mate.)
yeah, i could call the 100 even re raise as you say, but then i'm kind of in the hand aren't I.
I am just fed up atm of losing what is the second best hand from 169 to the bull that is ax
yes, i know all about statistics, etc, but come on losing four in a row, it's bull & you know it.
re the old tables, thanks for telling me as my pc or mouse specifically is all over the place atm, and that's playing just 6 tables.
do i need to do anything to get the old ones up mate?
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If you'd had AA cracked 4 times previously, would you have folded the bullets to a single raise pre flop?
I genuinely can't see a justification to fold KK in the first level of a DYM. Cashing in said DYM isn't a justification.
Nice to see people getting as tilted about the KK thing as I did when I discussed it with Ian in the clinic last year.
Must not get drawn in!!!!!!!!
Nice work on (and off) the tables Dev
I don't know you as such, but I know you're an experienced player. These KK comments are the type of thing you'd expect to read from a new player to the game who can't handle Ax getting there.
I'd hazard a guess that not getting KK AIPF in any format of the game (without very concrete reads, and the odd exception), would be a leak.
Good luck regardless
If a player came up to you and said they'd folded KK pre in the first level of a DYM because they'd lost the last 4 times they had KK....what would be your advice for that player?
PS. The paintings are cracking! My drawing is about as good as my poker
I would,
At least call the 100 chips to see a flop.
But I would def re raise to around 300 or 400, if villan then shoves I call all day long. If he has AA I just shrug shoulders and reg for another. A? you are 80% fav.
From my experience some people think AQ, AJ, AQ, 1010, JJ are the nuts
If you had QQ I would even see a flop with this hand, also notes very important.
Anyway, nice going dev coming along nicely. By the way you can still use the old tables if you want. I use them find them much more stable.
Love the pics
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