You need to be logged in to your Sky Poker account above to post discussions and comments.

You might need to refresh your page afterwards.

Options

England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...

aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
edited June 2014 in The Football Corner


There is a consoling line of thought that helps.  Had Suarez not scored that second goal, or had England scored again, it is really of little consequence.  Here's why...


Italy must beat Costa Rica, that hasn't changed
England must beat Costa Rica, that hasn't changed

We don't want Italy in position not to care about losing to Uruguay on Tuesday.
Uruguay now with 3 points have to beat Italy on Tuesday, yet this could see Italy eliminated
Uruguay with 1 point (had England drawn last night) could not eliminate Italy
So now Uruguay v Italy is a crucial game for both.

Had England drawn, Tuesday would be of little importance for Italy, who might wish to lose to miss Brazil and/or The Netherlands in the quarter-finals.

So, it's quite good we didn't score a late equaliser.



 
«134

Comments

  • Options
    aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2014


    Optimum score is Italy 2 - 0 Costa Rica

    1-0 means that England must score two goals more than Costa Rica on Tuesday
    2-0 means that England needs any win versus Costa Rica


    Uruguay has three risks; losing the game, only scoring 1 more goal than Italy and playing for a draw.

    Italy has one risk; losing the game versus Uruguay by 2 or more goals.




     
  • Options
    ShaunyTShaunyT Member Posts: 619
    edited June 2014
    or Italy could draw with costa rica tonight and we're out. At least if we had equalized it would be in our hands. Although when we cant even beat a very poor Uruguay side we deserve nothing anyway.
  • Options
    goldnballzgoldnballz Member Posts: 2,803
    edited June 2014
    Like the optimism but you're clutching at straws. Agree with shauny, we've been beaten by two pretty average teams who haven't even had to play that well to beat us, so we don't deserve to be going through.
  • Options
    The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,786
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    or Italy could draw with costa rica tonight and we're out. At least if we had equalized it would be in our hands. Although when we cant even beat a very poor Uruguay side we deserve nothing anyway.
    Posted by ShaunyT
    The differances where small but noticeable. 

    Sturridge - missed 2 great chances

    Rooney - Missed 2 out of 3 great chances. 


    Jagielka didnt defend well. 

    Suarez had 2 chances, scored 2 goals. 


  • Options
    12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2014
    Changes everything.

    Italy could take 2 0-0's and cruise into the next round now.
  • Options
    aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2014


    my point is that losing last night is not so bad, as drawing is pretty much the same.  so don't be down about losing. 

    being positive, assuming that italy will beat CR, we are in a better position, perversely, as neither Italy or Uruguay are playing risk free.  there is still no scoreline that secures both their places in the next round.



  • Options
    12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    my point is that losing last night is not so bad, as drawing is pretty much the same.  so don't be down about losing.  being positive, assuming that italy will beat CR, we are in a better position, perversely, as neither Italy or Uruguay are playing risk free.  there is still no scoreline that secures both their places in the next round.
    Posted by aussie09
    It would be in our own hands if we drew.  We would just have to beat Costa Rica and hope Italy didn't lose heavily.

    Now, we need Italy to win in a game where they will probably rest players.  Espeically if they see England are winning at HT they will just be loving life with no injuries and not be too worried about the result. 
  • Options
    aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad... : It would be in our own hands if we drew.  We would just have to beat Costa Rica and hope Italy didn't lose heavily. Now, we need Italy to win in a game where they will probably rest players.  Espeically if they see England are winning at HT they will just be loving life with no injuries and not be too worried about the result. 
    Posted by 1267

    the longer the score remains 0-0 in the England game the better.  the pressure will grow on Uruguay and/or Italy to score.  it will be a waiting game for us, scoring after the 90th minute would help.



     
  • Options
    12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad... : the longer the score remains 0-0 in the England game the better.  the pressure will grow on Uruguay and/or Italy to score.  it will be a waiting game for us, scoring after the 90th minute would help.  
    Posted by aussie09
    So youve gone from 'little consequence' (opening post) to, we must now score late on and results must go our way.  When if we drew we would just to need win.

    Italy know that a 0-0 draw would be absolutely fine regardless, will be no pressure on them to score.
  • Options
    RICHORFORDRICHORFORD Member Posts: 5,571
    edited June 2014
    Love the optimism Rob, I'm in the same boat.

    Where there's hope...

    As for the point made above about Italy loving it in the third game at half-time if it looks like England are going out, why? Based on the evidence so far, I'd want England to go through if I was Italy. Uruguay are a much more dangerous team with Suarez on board now and you want the big hitters to fall away and the weaker teams to progress.

    Pedigree counts for nothing, look at Spain. England are one of the second tier teams these days so why wouldn't Italy want us to go through at the expense of Uruguay?

    Let's just hope the Italians thrash Costa Rica today and demoralise them ready for us.
  • Options
    VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,103
    edited June 2014
    Apparently Ballotelli wants a kiss from the Queen if he scores the winner.

    Pucker up ma'am :-)
  • Options
    12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    Love the optimism Rob, I'm in the same boat. Where there's hope. As for the point made about Italy loving it in the third game at half-time if it looks like England are going out, why? Based on the evidence so far, I'd want England to go through if I was Italy. Uruguay are a much more dangerpoius team with Suarez on board now and you want the big hitters to fall away and the weaker teams to progress. Predigree counts for nothing, look at Spain. England are one of the second tier teams these days so why wouldn't Italy want us to go through at the expense of Uruguay. Just hope the Italians thrash Costa Rica today and demoralise them ready for us.
    Posted by RICHORFORD
    Italy couldn't meet either team again untill the final, so they really wouldn't be bothered.

    Would be stupid for Italy to go gung-ho and risk their top players getting suspened/injured when they know a draw tops the group (assuming they win today).

    Obviously as an England fan i am optimistic that not only will Italy thrash Costa Rica tonight, that we will then score plenty past Costa Rica, keep a clean sheet and build confidence.   Also praying that Italy do make changes and these players do everything they can in the final game to try and get into the starting x11 therefore beating Uruguay.

    But to suggest that Losing yesterday makes little difference then drawing is Ludicrous.    
  • Options
    aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad... : So youve gone from 'little consequence' (opening post) to, we must now score late on and results must go our way.  When if we drew we would just to need win. Italy know that a 0-0 draw would be absolutely fine regardless, will be no pressure on them to score.
    Posted by 1267

    incorrect.  you need to read the thread again to understand better.

    this thread is all about those who were disappointed by suarez's second goal, or those wishing we had scored a late equaliser.  there would be little added benefit.  we needed to win.  so it is consoling to realise that our chances have not been diminished too much.  we still have a chance, and perversely, the situation has improved in one respect, that is there is no scoreline which suits both Italy and Uruguay whilst they do not know the outcome of the England game.

    you can be miserable about england, that's your choice.   alternatively you can chose to see the opportunity that we have open to us.


  • Options
    RICHORFORDRICHORFORD Member Posts: 5,571
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad... : Italy couldn't meet either team again untill the final, so they really wouldn't be bothered. Would be stupid for Italy to go gung-ho and risk their top players getting suspened/injured when they know a draw tops the group (assuming they win today). Obviously as an England fan i am optimistic that not only will Italy thrash Costa Rica tonight, that we will then score plenty past Costa Rica, keep a clean sheet and build confidence.   Also praying that Italy do make changes and these players do everything they can in the final game to try and get into the starting x11 therefore beating Uruguay. But to suggest that Losing yesterday makes little difference then drawing is Ludicrous.    
    Posted by 1267
    Really good shout. This is probably our best bet of getting an Italian victory over Uruguay.

    Just hope we're all still talking about these possibilities at 6.45pm this evening.
  • Options
    12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad... : incorrect.  you need to read the thread again to understand better. this thread is all about those who were disappointed by suarez's second goal, or those wishing we had scored a late equaliser.  there would be little added benefit.  we needed to win.  so it is consoling to realise that our chances have not been diminished too much.  we still have a chance, and perversely, the situation has improved in one respect, that is there is no scoreline which suits both Italy and Uruguay whilst they do not know the outcome of the England game. you can be miserable about england, that's your choice.   alternatively you can chose to see the opportunity that we have open to us.
    Posted by aussie09
    I'm not miserable about England. I see can the oppurtunity.  I'm stupid enough to believe that we will go through, and go on and win it ....

    But if we did score late on, and draw. We would just need to beat Costa Rica to gurantee qualification (assuming italy win) , now we need to win and hope Uruguay lose.  This is a massive massive difference.  This is why the whole nation was asolutely gutted last night. 
    A late goal, or Suarez not scoring would have been MASSIVE for us.
  • Options
    12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2014
    Not to mention, that if Italy do draw tonight, we are now out.   little consequence though ?
  • Options
    aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2014


    remember too that on monday, before our group games are played, Italy will know where Brazil and The Netherlands will be placed. 

    It might be that losing the game against Uruguay means that Italy will avoid them in the quarter-finals and be drawn to play a lesser team instead. 

    However, now that there is a risk of being eliminated in the Uruguay game they cannot manipulate the result without knowing our game result. 

    One consequence of losing (and not drawing) last night is that this option is no longer available to Italy.



  • Options
    MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,579
    edited June 2014



    Guys. As this is in Poker chat, it is obv Rob is a Scot pretending to be an Aussie.....while mocking the English. Shocking bluff, as per normal.
  • Options
    12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2014
    In Response to Re: England loss to Uruguay is not so bad...:
    remember too that on monday, before our group games are played, Italy will know where Brazil and The Netherlands will be placed.  It might be that losing the game against Uruguay means that Italy will avoid them in the quarter-finals and be drawn to play a lesser team instead.  However, now that there is a risk of being eliminated in the Uruguay game they cannot manipulate the result without knowing our game result.  One consequence of losing (and not drawing) last night is that this option is no longer available to Italy.
    Posted by aussie09
    You are assuming Italy win tonight. if they drawm we are out.

    If we drew yesterday and they draw tonight points would be 4 4 1 1 . Again putting it in Englands hands with a big win Tuesday night.


    To sum it up,  if we drew last night and Italy win tonight. We would JUST need to win Tuesday. 
                         If we drew last night and Italy win tonight. We would JUST need to win big Tuesday.
                         In our hands.

    After losing, draw tonight and we are out.  Italy win tonight we still need Uruguay to lose.  Out of our hands.

    Losing last night was a Massive difference to drawing.  How can you not see this?
  • Options
    aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2014


    i'm not arguing with you 1267.  this is not like your old chatbox episodes.



Sign In or Register to comment.