In Response to Re: Final Table Bubbles - 7 Handed or Not? : He does have a point, Don. You technically just shift the bubble one place further down. Posted by Slipwater
The point of doing 7handed FTs isn't just to change the goalposts in terms of who gets to say 'I made a FT'. It's to prevent the situation of having a 3handed table and a 4handed table (which play differently ofc) at one of the most important stages of a tourney.
Yes the FT bubble boy will now be the person in 8th, but it'll come after all 8 players having played on 2 x 4handed tables.
If i was playing players of level ability i would much prefer a 7 handed final table. If i was playing players i believed i had an edge on i would much prefer to be on a 3 or 4 handed table against them. swings and roundabouts really Posted by jordz16
Too many variables to just put it down to these 2 scenarios imo.
Being on a 3handed table where the average stack is say 10xBB (which is fairly normal for alot of MTTs on here) with people who are a lot weaker than you can be great if they're weak in the sense they don't know how wide to shove and call shoves too tight etc, if they're the opposite then at that stack depth 3handed you can pretty much say goodbye to your edge imo.
Again this is all just 'variance' in terms of whether you're on the 3handed or 4handed table, what stack sizes happen to be on that table (sometimes the 3handed table will be the 3 shorties, sometimes the 3 biggies, sometimes the CL and 2 players with <5xBB), and what the players are like (good or bad, and what type of good/bad).
Sometimes it'll work out great for you, sometimes it'll work out pretty bad for you (it should even out in the long term though) but with 7handed it'll always be the same for everyone, everytime with no need for the longterm to be realised.
In Response to Re: Final Table Bubbles - 7 Handed or Not? : The point of doing 7handed FTs isn't just to change the goalposts in terms of who gets to say 'I made a FT'. It's to prevent the situation of having a 3handed table and a 4handed table (which play differently ofc) at one of the most important stages of a tourney. Yes the FT bubble boy will now be the person in 8th, but it'll come after all 8 players having played on 2 x 4handed tables. Posted by Lambert180
I understand and appreciate the concept, Lambert... which I ain't arguing. My point was simply about where the bubble is.
I think I prefer a 7 player final table, as there is such a big difference between 3 handed and 4 handed.
But as the change to the software would be a pain, and which table you end up on is luck anyway it does not seem worth the effort as in the long run luck evens out.
In Response to Re: Final Table Bubbles - 7 Handed or Not? : He does have a point, Don. You technically just shift the bubble one place further down. Posted by Slipwater
What is the official ruling then?
If a 6 max comp plays 7 handed when there's 7 left, is the final table bubble 7th or 8th?
I would agree with both JimSlip, but I'm only guessing.
In Response to Re: Final Table Bubbles - 7 Handed or Not? : In Response to Re: Final Table Bubbles - 7 Handed or Not? : What is the official ruling then? If a 6 max comp plays 7 handed when there's 7 left, is the final table bubble 7th or 8th? I would agree with both JimSlip, but I'm only guessing. And Don seems certain it's still 7th....... ?????????????????? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
At DTD (and I imagine all live places) they say the final 7 is the unofficial FT, and 6 is the proper FT but imo that's all just irrelevant, it's just a name, that name doesn't affect gameplay.
Four and three is rediculous and also unfair...four handed and three handed are very different games. So if its possible to play 7 max final table online would be a good improvement.
In Response to Re: Final Table Bubbles - 7 Handed or Not? : In Response to Re: Final Table Bubbles - 7 Handed or Not? : What is the official ruling then? If a 6 max comp plays 7 handed when there's 7 left, is the final table bubble 7th or 8th? I would agree with both JimSlip, but I'm only guessing. And Don seems certain it's still 7th....... ?????????????????? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Gna use the EPT as an example.
EPT plays 8 max FT's. Their Unofficial final table is 9 handed.
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Yes the FT bubble boy will now be the person in 8th, but it'll come after all 8 players having played on 2 x 4handed tables.
Being on a 3handed table where the average stack is say 10xBB (which is fairly normal for alot of MTTs on here) with people who are a lot weaker than you can be great if they're weak in the sense they don't know how wide to shove and call shoves too tight etc, if they're the opposite then at that stack depth 3handed you can pretty much say goodbye to your edge imo.
Again this is all just 'variance' in terms of whether you're on the 3handed or 4handed table, what stack sizes happen to be on that table (sometimes the 3handed table will be the 3 shorties, sometimes the 3 biggies, sometimes the CL and 2 players with <5xBB), and what the players are like (good or bad, and what type of good/bad).
Sometimes it'll work out great for you, sometimes it'll work out pretty bad for you (it should even out in the long term though) but with 7handed it'll always be the same for everyone, everytime with no need for the longterm to be realised.