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were these just too big a risk for me to continue?
craigcu12
Member Posts: 3,962
it might sound results orientated but in all honesty i'm thinking i have no one but myself to blame.
what i'm thinking is, do i need to start showing respect to these people. if they make limps preflop i can be assured they'll be playing a fit fold style of play,the strength of there hand might vary as some will do it with top pair and over pairs, others might need sets or will just min raise, the truth is they all need something very little if any real bets will be done with hands such as draws or TP Wkik
what i'm thinking is, do i need to start showing respect to these people. if they make limps preflop i can be assured they'll be playing a fit fold style of play,the strength of there hand might vary as some will do it with top pair and over pairs, others might need sets or will just min raise, the truth is they all need something very little if any real bets will be done with hands such as draws or TP Wkik
| mmmchips | Small blind | 200.00 | 200.00 | 4870.00 | |
| acky1985 | Big blind | 400.00 | 600.00 | 23419.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| MattH23 | Fold | ||||
| Jamezh | Fold | ||||
| craigcu12 | Raise | 800.00 | 1400.00 | 11345.00 | |
| mmmchips | Fold | ||||
| acky1985 | Call | 400.00 | 1800.00 | 23019.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| acky1985 | Check | ||||
| craigcu12 | Bet | 800.00 | 2600.00 | 10545.00 | |
| acky1985 | Raise | 2500.00 | 5100.00 | 20519.00 | |
| craigcu12 | Call | 1700.00 | 6800.00 | 8845.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| acky1985 | Bet | 5100.00 | 11900.00 | 15419.00 | |
| craigcu12 | All-in | 8845.00 | 20745.00 | 0.00 | |
| acky1985 | Call | 3745.00 | 24490.00 | 11674.00 | |
| acky1985 | Show |
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| craigcu12 | Show |
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| River | |||||
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| acky1985 | Win | Four 10s | 24490.00 | 36164.00 | |
Comments
i did a foolish shove here in the early stages of the main.
H1. i should have just checked the flop and called the turn although i am thinking that too would have lost me the whole stack as he would have almost certainly shoved his whole stack on the river. having cbet it i now certainly should have just folded.
H2 true i should be shipping it all if i'm going to call and again most days these people won't have flush draws.
H3 i do play these hands when i'm on the button, i think the fact button stack was 2700 got me more happy to raise, it's the sense that they will limp in hands such as 96o that gets me insisting on doing a raise with J6o.
H4 what i thought about was they min bet and non are aggressive, if it didn't come a flush draw i would most times fold and just called if it wasn't Q+ flush draw.
H5 i should have just folded the flop, but again my own fault.
EDITED ^^
I don't think the river shove with AT is foolish at all, more results orientated thinking imo cos he happens to have a set, it's completely standard given the size of the pot assuming you've called the flop because he has worse value hands. Fwiw, I 100% would not tag a player as being passive when they raise T92r with 77!!!
Most important thing is what MattBates said that it's not about respect it's about putting people on a range. You don't seem to do it at all or if you do, you don't mention it in your HHs.
If you just look at that main event hand with AT as an example. Obv you have to be rough with your ranges at first and as you get to know them you can add/remove certains parts of people's ranges based on their action. As I'm readless...
All he's done pre is flat a 2.5x open on the BTN so range is vvv wide. We'll assume he 3bets hands like JJ+ and AK so remove them (notes on a player might let us know they sometimes don't 3bet monsters), so he has like 22-TT, probably all 'pretty' hands like 67s+ 68s+, probably all suited Ax, and lots of broadway/big cards like AJ/KT/K9/JT/QJ etc etc.
Then he raises T92r flop.... ok well I'm not expecting complete airballs readless so we can instantly wipe out most of his range. 22, 99, TT, T9, QJ, 78, J8. I'd assume they're not raising 33-88 (but are calling) and likewise not raising but will call with stuff like A9/KT/QT/JT/AT.
Now against that estimated flop range, do you think you should call the flop raise? Do you know how to decide whether you should call or not?
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I don't mind opening J6s on the BTN at all, but we're not opening it, we're iso'ing with it which changes everything. Every single action changes a hand, the ranges involved etc etc. I just don't think it's a very good hand to iso with, we want hands that dominate them tons. Yes we dominate some like 96o, but we're up against J7/J8/J9/JT/QJ, probably Q6/K6/A6 just as often which have us in terrible shape. Also against the type of player I'd imagine they are, we wanna iso with hands that have the best chances of making TP so we can just valuetown them.... we don't have TP with a 6 like ever, and not even that often with Jx.
The point the AQ hand was overvalued was on the flop. If we're putting him on a draw (only reason I can see for calling flop raise) we may as well shove turn for value when opponents pretty well committed with JQ/J8/78 type hands, don't mind if he folds these hands either, wins us more chips surely than calling to keep in bluffs. Damage had been done by that point though.
Other hands look alright. Almost all your chips went in with really good equity. That's always good.